Americans were outraged after our elected representatives in Congress moved forward with over a trillion dollars in emergency bailout funds for banks, investment firms and failing corporations in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis. After tens of thousands of phone calls to the Congressional switchboard, overwhelmingly against the bailout funds, the American public was largely ignored by the majority of their elected representatives, who would eventually saddle taxpayers with a long-term debt in excess of $20 trillion.
In March of 2009, the American public resoundingly rejected the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obama Care) after it was made known that the bill would mandate, by force if necessary, that every citizen would be required to acquire health insurance. Not only did Congress and the President pass legislation that would, in a supposedly free country, require every American to forcefully pay for a service they may not want, but the more than 1000 page bill was written, introduced and approved before any Senator or Representative had a chance to read it, with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi famously saying:
“You have to pass the bill before you can find out what is in it…”
While those laws may be shamelessly contradictory to the fundamental Constitutional law of the land, and as outrageous as it was for Congressional representatives to ignore the American public’s calls to reject the bills, none of those come even remotely close to the most recent transgressions against the people with the passage of the National Defense Authorization Act.
As Americans enjoyed themselves with the holiday shopping season, Congress and the Executive branch worked tirelessly to destroy the 4th and 6th Amendments of the US Constitution, which protect an individual’s natural right “to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures” and ensure due process with evidence, witnesses, and public trial. The passage of the NDAA has prompted Senator Rand Paul to warn Americans that they could be considered terrorists for seemingly innocent activity and an an op-ed in the New York Times titled Guantanamo Forever? by U.S. Marine generals Charles Krulak and Joseph Hoar argued that the new legislation would essentially nullify aspects of the Constitution, saying “due process would be a thing of the past.”
One thing is clear with the passage of this legislation, and that is those Senators and Congressman who voted for its passage are violating their oaths to support and protect the Constitution of the United States, because everything in the bill is counter to the principles outlined in our founding document. As such, concerned citizens around the country are now actively pursuing grass roots efforts to utilize a never-before enacted power of the people: the recall.
Via The Daily Kos and Sherri Questioning All:
Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 – 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.
Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.
Section 2 of Montana Code 2-16-603 reads:
“(2) A public officer holding an elective office may be recalled by the qualified electors entitled to vote for the elective officer’s successor.”
While the Montana Constitution (and those of other states) allows for a recall to take place, there is some question about whether these powers, which are technically undefined by the US Constitution, can be used to remove acting Congressional representatives:
The website Ballotpedia.org cites eight other states which allow for the recall of elected federal officials: Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, and Wisconsin. New Jersey’s federal recall law was struck down when a NJ state judge ruled that “the federal Constitution does not allow states the power to recall U.S. senators,” despite the fact the Constitution explicitly allows, by not disallowing (“prohibited” in the Tenth Amendment,) the states the power to recall US senators and congressmen:
“The powers not…prohibited…are reserved to the States…or to the people.” – Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
The issue of federal official recall has never reached the federal courts.
Nonetheless, we may soon find out, as Montana is spearheading the movement to remove both of their Senators from office, as per the petition draft that is now circulating:
“The Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees all U.S citizens:
“a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed…”
The National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA 2011) permanently abolishes the Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial, “for the duration of hostilities” in the War on Terror, which was defined by President George W. Bush as “task which does not end” to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.
Those who voted Aye on December 15th, 2011, Bill of Rights Day, for NDAA 2011 have attempted to grant powers which cannot be granted, which violate both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
The Montana Recall Act stipulates that officials including US senators can only be recalled for physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of the oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of a felony offense. We the undersigned call for a recall election to be held for Senator Max S. Baucus [and Senator Jonathan Tester] and charge that he has violated his oath of office, to protect and defend the United States Constitution.”
While there may be eight other states whose Constitutions allow for the recall of federally elected officials, the US Constitution itself has reserved these rights for the people of each state, suggesting that such a recall movement can gain steam all over the country, and may be our last best hope of restoring Constitutional rule of law to America.
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This needs to start a chain reaction, then maybe the government will take the American citizens seriously!!!!!
I think that this is a step in the right direction. BUT, I also think that this is to little to late.
I hope the Montana recall effort works – it would send a message to wayward politicians that we’re done with business as usual and lame stream media would have to give it as much attention as the labor unions trying to recall the Wisconsin governor for trying to take his state back from their grips.
Kim John ill is still stink’in. Let’s raise the debt by another 1.2 BILLION.
We wish is was 1.2 billion… but it was with a T as in TRILLION. 🙁
1.2 Billion is what we spend a day in Afghanistan. Stop thinking is such outdated terms. Trillion is the new Billion.
…and here we in Oregon have to wait until the congresscritters wear big furry suits before anyone will do the right thing… :/
No, seriously, look for yourself: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/rep-wu-and-the-meaning-of-congressional-ethics-investigations/242507/
no rope is long enough for those who voted for it! Period!
Couldn’t agree more.
Might take more than a recall of this bill
http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/emer.html
Excellent page that sums up what is and has been going on in this country for a long time. The Patriot Act I & II as well as the NDAA are simply reinforcers of the declaration of war crap.
Why remind the American people they have been royaly screwed over by a previous president when you can justify your actions through “new” legislation? By doing it the way they have, it keeps most of America ignorant and blind -never knowing we are chattel, enemies, and have been “licensed” into submission by the declaration of “emergency” that never ends.
Find me a president who is willing to declare the national “emergency” is over, and I’ll find you a candidate for assassination.
I notice the Montana Nation Guard is losing some of its airpower http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-air-national-guard-mission-uncertain-pending-f–shift/article_25dd0120-300a-11e1-890d-001871e3ce6c.html
I hope this sends a message that the Congress members are elected to serve their constituents instead of the opposite!
Life is good if this starts a wave of impeachments of the traitors who supported this act!
Giving credit where due:
US representative for Michigan’s 3rd Congressional District JUSTIN AMASH came out STRONGLY AGAINST NDAA 2011 saying on the floor and on the record that (among other things) “my constituents are against it.”
I’m one of them.
You can find the video on line.
“there is some question about whether these powers, which are technically undefined by the US Constitution, can be used to remove acting Congressional representatives”
The word “ACTING” in this paragraph strikes me…
How are they acting?
Are they acting on behalf of the American people?
Are they acting for lobbyist?
Are they acting at all?
There should be no benefits or pay for Congress until they live by the rules of the Constitution which they sworn to under oath, which they seem to think is just a formality and don’t take it seriously anymore.
I wish there were more ramifications for this type of “action” by Congress.
There needs to be a message sent by the American people every time Congress strips a piece of our Constitution and slowly takes away our Freedom.
More needs to be done to prevent this type of treason. Thank you Montana for standing up for our rights, I only hope others do the same. There is Power in Numbers!
I hope Arizona gets onboard as well.
Why not be the person to start the ball rolling and lead the way?
Arizona conservatives don’t have enough backbone to take on McCain and Kyl, although, both must go. Especially, when they start selling out to those who would lock US Citizens away in the equivalent of detention camps. Didn’t McCain learn anything in that prison in Vietnam?
Mccains dad was a big time admiral(big time admiral+ admirals son in captivity and surviving the ordeal= a deal??? ) If you add up mcclowns metals to combat flight time it is like 1 for every 2 minutes of combat time or some ungodly ratio, the # is so f^cking rediculous. I read somewhere he crashed alot of planes(that could be hear say, but you can look up his metals).
“Didn’t McCain learn anything in that prison in Vietnam?”
Yeah, Sage, he learned which side of the bars to be on.
what are we waiting for?
Due process maybe a thing of the past, but .308 Winchester is a thing of the present and future!
Model 100?
I was thinking more along the lines of a DPMS 18″ .308 SASS. I’m hoping that more Americans join Montanans to throw the traitorous garbage out of Congress.
GOT MY .308 reaper ready for em!! Best 3k I ever spent. CME GET SOME !!!!
308 is great but you can really reach out and touch that special someone with a 300 win. mag.
You’re absolutely correct. There are many cartridges that outperform the .308 win, but I like the .308 win because the reloading components are plentiful and relatively cheap for the performance you get, and it doesn’t have the recoil of 300 win mag. The .308 win is a very good “general purpose” cartridge. It’s not great in any individual area, but it does most everything very well. Good ballistics, very good accuracy, easy recoil, very forgiving when hand loading and reloadng, very flexible with a wide range of propellants, still relatively cheap. Also, when the SHTF, 300 win mag may be harder to find than .308 unless you reload your own.
You clowns better be careful with your posts implying violence. The NDAA act will allow them to haul your asses away forever. Not to mention those who talk about it never do it. Just alot of hot air. Keep it that way as the anti second amendment activists would like nothing better than for someone to do something stupid.
right you are, willy. dad taught me early the meaning of the word tact; “the ability to shut your mouth before somebody else does it for you.” (or wants to) carefull with the ‘red flag’ words. Endgames’ on! sharpen your swords quietly and put on the cloak of righteousness.
I hope the good people of Montana don’t let this die on the vine. Go Montana.
This is very inspiring and hopefully it will grow as a movement that will shine light on the atrocity that is NDAA and motivate those in states that cannot recall their representatives to vote them out ASAP.
This is an issue the transcends party lines. Liberals and conservatives now have a common enemy.
These CROOKS in congress arnt scared! Go ahead people, start a movement in your state. Ask the buiseness owners, and citizens in arizona how their recall of BIG SIS went(audits,harassment from “officials” and “goons”, state contracts cancelled, jury duty, slandering in the news papers,threats,and late night visits, and on, and on)! I heard/read somewhere Stewart Rhodes of oathkeepers is starting this. Open letter to Stewart: I back you up 100% on this brother, but WHY MT???? WHERE WERE YOU IN NV against REID?? I do understand though, hell I am scared to death(to write) just THINKING about what happens to reids enemies!
Kevin: You say you are opposed to Rogue Administrations perverting the US Constitution, claim you are with US 100%, yet all you post is defeatism, despair, and propaganda for the Globalists in power.
You are either a hypocrite, coward, or liar. Which is it?
Personally I suspect you are plant for the NWO trying to undermine American Patriots and discourage them from vocally opposing the status quo.
WE have seen these types here before. You are a FUCKING shill!
DK,
Your name calling and arrogance leave much to be desired.
How does that saying go about the one who accuses others of farting is usually the guilty culprit
BJ….”he who smelt it dealt it” is the literary quotation for which I assume you were searching…
Hi dk. For one thing, the constitution IS perverted, and it IS dead. The passage of that defense bill, patriot act and tha health care bill(just 3 examples,many more) should show you that. Dfeatism- NO. I am trying to point out to people that the system is BROKEN beyond ALL repair,no amount of recalls will fix the problem(THEY COUNT THE# VOTES) and there needs to be RESTORATION of the constitution(remember in the 90’s,that was our battle cry). Maybe you were awake back then, maybe you weren’t. There was alot of head cracking going on in the 90’s by the system. Hypocrite,liar,coward, or shill, think what you want brother. If you have not been molested by this system of government, you haven’t done $hit for the cause but type on a keyboard!
Forgot 1 thing. I want the same thing as you, LIBERTY. You say YOU are part of a group called “us” and I am not. They win by division, we win by addition, and education. They count the votes and control the media 100%! If you dont have 1000% contempt for the voting process, you don’t know what the f^ck is going on. Do you know what the republican party did to ron paul in 08? In LU,NV,WA,AK, and OR? Tell me just 1, I bet you can not. Prove the shill wrong. The censor ship of the net has began, please start saving(for the next generation) and printing all you can sheeple. They are not waiting for some bull$hit bill to pass. Google is starting to turn us in circles.
1 LAST thing dk. I point out how impossible it is to change anything with voting(because it’s corrupted). Look at russia, they say 100,000 people are protesting the voting fraud in moscow (they could be protesting the cia f^cking with their elecetions, using diebold machines, I don’t know, I am not there) My point is WE NEED 100,000 in the streets if we get another mccain fraud nominee(msm would just tell the rest of nation the protests are for more taxes or something) You insulted me, thats fine. A quote from dances with wolves ” can’t you see that I’m your friend” Yeah, I could just say to you F+CK OFF, but we are on the same side! OR ARE WE? DK=patriot or DK=shil(I doubt you are, but had to poke)
Bravo Montana!!!
My new HERO’S
We here in Florida, we were all deceived by the Tea Party’s, Baby Jesus, Marco Rubio.
Myself included!
It’s a horrible feeling to be betrayed by some one you supported.
He has gone from someone we thought might make a difference to the lesser of 2 evils.
I used to pray for him, now I hope he chokes on a Cuban sandwich….Bastard.
Yeah. Can you say Obama? I can. “End the Wars–Take that to the Bank”, “Close Guantanimo–Guaranteed”, “Repeal Patriot Act!”. God how more gullible do we really need to get. How about a President Ron Paul. It’s my last gasp of hope in anything anyone says to me outside of my family.
I like Dr. Paul as well.
Let it be a a start of what is to come. Make it the Norm, rather than the exception. I have already wrote my Senators and let them know they have earned votes against them in the next election. Voting for NDAA was out of the question in my opinion. I will not waver, I do not care who is running against them, my vote is cast!
You will be getting audited by the irs in short order, start gathering up your receipts and get ready(personal experteeeze in this area) OH yeah, if your state has electronic voting, your votes will get flipped to the unpopular candidate. Evan IF a couple of senators get “elected out” the law WILL STILL BE THERE,JUST LIKE HEALTH CARE BILL! GROW UP PEOPLE!
Kevin- would you man up?!?
For cryin’ out loud – if everyone thought like you we’d be under a full-out Communist regime by now. You need to stop waving the white flag and get the heck out of the way. Maybe YOU are the government troll, trying to get everyone scared and worked up.
That’s all I’ve heard from Kevin, is “crying out loud”!!!!
If every one thought like me, we would be free.If you can’t see the commies in control NOW, after this is passed, when will you! If it takes the truth to get “everyone scared and worked up” so be it daisy! machinist 73-thank you for adding your words of wisdom. Now if you excuse me, I have to go cash my government troll check. Wow, no fed, or ficca withheld, dam, thats 52 weeks in a row!
Term Limits for congress is the only answer.. Without breaking a law, how else can the people, as a whole, protect themselves from the tyranny of a “local” king or queen whose state or district repeatedly returns to power ? Only by instituting Term Limits across the board.. 2 terms and done.
Of course, those in power would never willingly limit their own power.. that can only happen when they are forced to do so by a concerted popular effort.. for all the squeeling, complaining and general bitching that has and is taking place in the politic at large; I am stunned that there is not a strong, vocal and well advertized movement to force the imposition of term limits.
Without term limits, there are no limits; but only a constant pushing back and errosion of the “limits” that have traditionally existed. Little by little, inch by inch, step by step our Republic is being “eaten” by the little arrogant kings and queens in the congress..
Well said SNS,
+1
well said, yes. Will it ever happen? NO! Nv passed a law, READ its constition. Every time reid goes to washington, he is supposed to introduce a bill for term limits, HE DOESNT! WELL SAID YES,WILL IT HAPPEN? NOT IN A THOUSAND YEARS!
You also need to term limit the “civil servant” bureaucrats and staffers. One reason things don’t change is the bureaucracy doesn’t change just because one of the pimps retired or was replaced.
Man, I wish you were president instead of john q public!
I prefer a one term limit of 6 years for every one even the president. That way they get 6 years without to get their stuff done and do not have to worry about any re-election what so ever. If they want any more then they have to move or run for another office..
NO! the only answer to the senate is to RESTORE it to being an agent of the state, choosen by STATE LEGISLATORS,very hard to fix elections, and they can be recalled INSTANTLY, in 5 minutes! That was the intent of the constitution.
Kevin,
It cannot and will never be restored Kevin. It is corrupt totally the only way to fix it is to clear them out and start over. I just not going to waive a white flag and give up. I will do what everyone should do and spread the word to everyone I see and know.
DPS
Believe me, my white flag is not up, I do what I can to fight the giant, But I am not david.You are right, all of them out and start over, but WITH state legislators picking them. This article has struck a core in me. I sometimes feel as if I am in the movie the matrix, when I go to stores and look at the american people. Does anyone else on this blog think that? Just in awe of what we have become. Is it to early to start drinking?
Kevin is exactly right! Our Senate is now selected by BIG Money and BIG Media.
See the us senate people, they dont give a rats a$$ about us. The 1913 law that changed senators from state legislature to popular vote KILLED this country, along with the fed res act, and the income tax. 1913 coup. Believe me, I hate being a defeatist, BUT its not going to do any good! On the bright side, the electronic voting machine company was bought out, they are no longer diebold! Who owns them now? Who knows, but not the people of (these)THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. land of the fee, home of the slave!
These posts really aren’t helpful, Kevin.
Realize that there is power in numbers and the numbers are getting angry. There’s way more ticked off Americans than there are members of Congress. These actions can only help draw attention to the power grab that is going on in the US government. While this particular action may not succeed, the value of the attention it draws is immeasurable.
If you don’t want to be defeatist, then DON’T BE!!! It really IS that simple. Consider these things temporary setbacks. No one is actually defeated until they stop trying.
Hi daisy. I am as angry as the next person, but its obvious we arn’t angry enough. I am just pointing out the reality of our present government, and once people realize we are CORNERED ANIMALS we will be 100 times stronger. Question to you daisy… Do you fear your government? MY senator travels with his own personal army, use of dealy force authorized.I ran into him at a church of a religion he is not. What a fraud. When all those “town hall” meetings were going on after the health care passage, there were many reports of people getting who were vocal at those meetings getting “night time visits” from goons. Grow up, and open your eyes to the reality of our present government.
Fear is a strong word. While I know that there are clandestine powers at work, I refuse to be quiet because of those overlying threats. I fear the alternative of bowing down to the government more than I fear standing up to the government. It’s because of the intimidation that people must refuse to be quieted. Just because someone is an elected official doesn’t mean that we cannot disagree – and disagree vocally as all get out – with them.
Now is the time to turn up the volume on our complaints – not be muted by intimidation tactics.
Kevin; You are a pathetic excuse for a man. Grow some fucking balls. Obviously you are not ex-military.
You are a shill for the Globalists spreading all the propaganda you can.
This site is for Preppers and Patriots who believe in doing something positive to meet the changes and challenges coming OUR way.
You are obviously in the wrong place and wasting your time. WE won’t fall for that bullshit.
90 million gun owners do not fear their government. Any rogue government better fear US.
DK, you’re just bangin’ your head against the wall for nothing but the noise with Kevin. He’s been busy planning his drinking binge since yesterday and he certainly hasn’t comprehended a word I said.
If he ISN’T already working for the government, perhaps he should apply for a job – he’s a fantastic poop-stirrer.
If you don’t FEAR the government we have now, you don’t know what the f$ck is going on in the real world, and that statement goes out to everyone in the shftplan family, and the government trolls. Happy new year!
WE are the government. Let every rogue administration fear US!
God save the queen.
Hi, Rich99. Nice to hear from you. Hope you had a merry Christmas.
Here ya go try reading this for a change and combine it with careful thought http://bit.ly/tjoQHm
From the actual law, as passed and signed… but I still want those stinking term limits for those rotten SOB’s..
Subtitle D–Counterterrorism
SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS.
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1021 who is determined–
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1021(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1028.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Did I miss something?
This specifically says “the requirement to detain a person in military custody DOES NOT EXTEND TO CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.”
Never mind: They don’t have the requirement, but still have the option.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
Sovereign Immunity under the existing Law (called the Constitution for the United States of America) is the best defense against any statutory show of “authority”.
It appears the “Act” is intended to be used by the corp as “law” for those who have not established their choice through the public records.
Sign a copy of your state and the federal constitutions, write an affidavit of identity signed by two witnesses and or a Notary, outlining who you are, and file it in the public records. Get the record number and use it for ID to present to any corp officer upon any request.
This act, like all others, can not be applied where the Constitution is Law. It applies to the fictional areas of the corp. and relies on your stupidity and those who enforce it.
A US citizen may never get a trial, but they don’t get one now anyway.
Well if the oath keepers started this, they sure are not very pride of it. Not a single word about this on their web site. Seems if they want it to snowball they should at least have a storycovering it.
DPS
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december252011/ndaa-recall.php I did not say oathkeepers, I said stewart rhodes. Look a couple of paragraphs down.
Kevin,
The funny thing is I never claimed you said Oath Keepers, I stated it. After Ninaorket posted it late last night I read up on it… You see your rant this morning clouded you head. Goes to show you a little lesson bud, Keep them mad and they stay off balance. The best part is you did it to yourself. In other words give a man a enough rope and he will hang himself..
DPS
I guess I did say “of oathkeepers” my bad. Assume= ass out of myself and almost you. I take back my open letter written earlier. There are probably a million patriotic lawyers named stewart rhodes.
my comment with link to article is waiting moderation.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december252011/ndaa-recall.php
Well Well, the oath keepers just posted it to their web site.. And Kevin thought you were off to have a few drinks, Might I suggest a 101 wild turkey with a teq shooter. And after that remember friends don’t let friends drink and dial, or for that matter type.
DPS
I have not started drinking yet. To bizzy crying out loud. Took me along time to find that link. I saw it when I got up really, really early today, about 8 hours ago. Link still moderating for some reason. Salem news com articles december 25 2011 recall. If you search that, thats my source.
Kevin,
Here is your source
ninaorket says:
December 26, 2011 at 9:24 pm more info…
Recall of Federal Elected Officials has begun in Montana – Those who voted for The Defense 1031 Bill (Indefinite Detention of U.S. Citizens)
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/12/recall-of-federal-elected-officials-has.html
Dude you need some sleep you are rambling, you searched all morning for a article that Ninaarket posted last night..
DPS
Now I take back, tacking back, my open letter to stewart earlier. He was a nevadan before a montanan, and I dont CARE how many red thumbs I get!
All or most of us here would have to admit most people want the government to take care of them. With that in mind, it would take a constitutional ammendment to add term limits and would garner little support from the sheeple. Just look at the worthless politicians that keep getting elected, Pelosi, Reid, Shummer, Waters and the list goes on.
You forgot Corrine Brown.
There is no sitting government empowered to lawfully amend the Constitution.
If the govt. itself is lawless that is probably not an issue is it? They(our rulers) have done all kinds of unlawful things (for our own good of course) ever since this country was founded. An ignorant populace coupled with a corrupt media makes the job of abrogating the Constitution that much easier.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
And people say they can’t detain Americans, All with the stroke of a pen (waiver) The pen maybe mighter then the sword.
But I was raised to never bring a knife to a gun fight.
DPS
Traitors, every one of them. We are outnumbered by idiots my friends and being outsmarted by the politicians the idiots put in office.
Couldn’t say it better myself!
I applaud MT doing this. I love MT, beautiful state with really wonderful people. But I am skeptical that even if it has success in MT it goes any farther. Things like this always end up getting a headline or two then just fading away with the sunset. Representatives in DC have figured out a way to insulate themselves so well against the people that it is almost impossible to remove them or beat an incumbent.
Once I made the decision that I no longer had confidence in our system I refuse to get hope from the tea party or any other person or thing that is going to fix the system. Too painful banging my head against that wall.
Wingmen (and women!), we still have a use for Detention Block AA-23… the new home for all the traitors who voted to pass this naked fascism, BEFORE we exploit this Death Star’s weakness. Then, we hit the exhaust port that’s only two meters wide. Now let’s blow this thing and go home!
This is Gold Leader standing by.
All 57 Bo states!
I have seen this EXACT message before, many places. I believe it is a robospeek software!
http://rt.com/usa/news/anonymous-ndaa-portman-torture-913/
follow the money trail
Daisy, I could not respond to you up top, so I hope this finds you. Muted is not the same as silenced. Believe me, when you are standing next to a senator (crook tyrant), with armed guards(thugs) , unarmed with a little one at your side, and you want to speak out, but you just pull the little one closer to you, feeling she’s in danger, you dont feel equal,you don’t feel free. That is when you see, and feel in your heart, what this nation has become and IS. By the time everyone has felt that, it will be to late. God bless you all in your quest, but I think it is peeing in the wind.
Kevin, there is a time and a place for everything. No, with your little one by your side is not the time to pick a fight – verbal OR physical.
But that little one, and all the other little ones like her, should be our motivation to make a change in the world as we see it today. I
f you don’t want her to grow up with this same feeling of fear, of being subjugated, WE are the ones that have to change things.
Best of luck to you.
Believe me, I was NOT scared for ME, and it does motivate me. We are allready are “subjugated”. NO CHANGE, NO revolution, WE NEED RESTORATION!
Kevin,
Its 5:00pm somewhere have a drink and relax before you type something you regret.
DPS
You’re the man, DPS! 😀
yes and its 4:20 somewhere … note to adolf (stepehen) harper! pour me something tall and strong , make it a hurricane, before i go insane….. sing it … and roll me something long and strong.. make it a double pape before i go insaaaanee … its only 20 past 12 , but i dont care … it s 420 somewhere…. BARACK OBAMA AND ADOLF HARPER >>>>> GO TO FUCKING HELL …
RON PAUL/GROVER NORQUIST 2012
“muslim” named burnette. rhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/26/woman-who-threatened-rep-peter-king-shot-to-death-by-police/ight!
here is the REAL world daisy!
I read about this in several places. I could infer two things from your post.
#1) You believe this is evidence of a Muslim womn gone nuts, therefore meaning ALL Muslims are nuts.
#2.) You believe that the woman that was shot was only acting within her rights and the police “did away” with her for complaining.
Which is it?
A muslim named burnette?? Doesn’t matter what “I believe”. You left out a couple other options from your list. Well, for ME, IT is 5:18 somewhere, gotta go! hmm, whiskey or beer!
Pay her no attention kevin. She voted for the indonesian citizen.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/26/woman-who-threatened-rep-peter-king-shot-to-death-by-police/
here is the fixed link
Anyone who has the Bible knows how this all ends. Just wish I had a rural retreat like most of y’all. God Bless.
I look at our gov’t just like I would an old piece of farm equipment. I can keep pouring money and hours of time keeping it put together. Or I can make some plans, save some money and buy a newer piece.
Most people should be asking themselves if our current system is fixable. If a person decides it isn’t fixable or worth the energy to fix it, there really is no sense in raising hell about it. Doesn’t make sense to me to go to town hall meetings endangering yourself or loved ones if it inevitably is a waste of time and effort. You may end up arrested, beaten, or worse on some future list for a visit.
I have given up hope on the current system. Not that I am hoping for a bad scenario, but I look at politics as nothing more than theater. Give the masses a little making them thankful for taking alot. Arguing on talk show circuit sunday morning then golfing together by lunch. To me it’s a rigged game. Vote for a change only to get the same in a different suit.
Now I am not advocating any action. Just like farm equipment I wouldn’t try to destroy it, it would happen in due time regardless. I think the same is true with our current system.
Here is a list of the senators who voted for the NDAA bill. Apparently, they don’t fear a re-election backlash from the rabble (yet).
http://www.waitingforthestorm.com/indefinite-detention-law-hall-of-shame-list-of-senators-who-voted-yes-on-the-ndaa-bill
Thanks Bill!
It’s inspiring to see that the people in Montana have taken the first steps to try and throw the bums out. The mere fact that they would act, and act quickly to start the process, sends the right message to the criminal politicians. Even if they fail, at least the SOBs can’t plead ignorance when they start hanging them from the street lights. The actions of late, by the vast majority of the criminals in washington proves that they have nothing but open contempt for the citizens. We probably have a ways to go yet, but the revolution is coming! Whether it’s months, years, or possibly longer…the day is coming!
And the sooner we rid ourselves of these lying, lizard-lipped, beady-eyed, rat-turd sucking, demon-spawn, slimeball politicians, the better!
Whew! Glad to get that off my chest. Now it’s time for the news….
Any white percipitation your way?
Anonymous,
Not sure about okie’s place but it snowed here all day Christmas, ended up with 5″
DPS
Which FEMA area are you in? Okie is probably taking a truck load of pineapples to HI.
Anonymous
I’m in the Tx FEMA area AKA B.F.E. lol.
SmokinOkie,
I even feel better for you now.
DPS
To many of us have forgotten what Constitutional rights are.
The U.S Constitution is not are rights, it only describes them, it is up to each and everyone of us to live our rights, not wait for pernmission to be free. We must ignore unconstitutional statutes, and stand fast in our rights.
And if need be we must be willing to fight and die for our rights.
Is anyone willing to do that? I fear only a few are.
ITS TOO LATE RUN
Nebraska senator Ben Nelson is retiring! Yeah one more liberal going away! He didn’t have a prayer to get reelected after health care and ndaa were passed. Last year he opened a new building at the college here in kearney and had more security than people attending. I was going to another class and got searched just from being in the same building.
He gets ripped apart on the daily radio show here and when he calls in he gets slammed by 9 of 10 people. We are awake in Nebraska! Go Montana! Throw the bums out!
I like kearney, I get up there a couple times a year for their big consignment farm auctions.
Mark my words, the next in line for Nelson’s spot will corrupted in short order or will already be corupt while taking the oath. Most likely a lawyer. Same with Dodd, Barney Frank. DC is such a large machine that you are either taken in and fall in line, or they will destroy you politically.
I hate to sound so pessimisstic but I believe that to be our reality. For those that believe activism works? Take a look around you. TN doesn’t have income tax, but has now has DHS stops and tried to coordinate military and police dui checkpoints. We elect a few tea party members, the ndaa bill gets passed by an overwhelming majority. Like I said in an earlier post. Washington will give us a little and while we rejoice our victory, they take alot right from under our nose.
Seems to me Kevin likes to thumbs down everyone here. Jerk, get a life.
I was attending a Xmas party and during a conversation, I asked a woman that expressed her distain for BO, about the NDAA and Fast and Furious. She and her husband along with 6 others never even heard about the National Defense Authorization Act or F&F. I briefly described what these were about. They were astonished and asked what could they do. I got their emails and said that I would forward materials that would keep them informed.
I am now compiling all email addresses from the past 4 years of emails I have received from folks that have forwarded and forwarded info, jokes etc to their friends and me.
Some of the info that will be contained will include:
The BO Deception HQ Full length version – over 9,689,335 views.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
Concerning BO’s rule of law, even Rachel Maddow gets into it with BO talking about prolonged detention, preventive incarceration and legal regime. The following video is an interesting liberal newscast that not only propagandizes the “illegal Bush legacy” but the potential anti-constitutional plan of BO who may want “prolonged detention” of personnel for preventive measures. This BO speech is exactly the preparatory brainwashing that AH used to justify his future legal actions that enslaved Germany. I am all for stopping terrorists. What scares me is BO who creates a “legal regime” to construct a detention network outside of the legal system. If AH wasn’t a lesson in history, the speech would be sloughed off as rhetoric. But with AH’s process of installing totalitarianism as a comparison, BO IS laying the psychological groundwork for his overthrow of the country. Wild theory, you say? Remember his “private army”? Remember the FEMA camps? Connect the dots. Private army – detention law – detention camps – installation of tyranny. Better that we are safe than sorry. Impeach now.
See: http://conservativebyte.com/2011/12/stunning-video-national-guard-ad-for-fema-resettlementprison-camp-positions/
BO and EH Have Subverted American Freedoms.
See: http://www.westernjournalism.com/author/caleb/
When it hits the fan, don’t say we didn’t warn you.
Montanans Organize to Remove Senators Who Voted For Traitorous Detainment Bill
See: https://www.shtfplan.com/
BO to fill Gitmo with Americans as NDAA law passes
See: http://www.naturalnews.com/034414_NDAA_military_detention_Bill_of_Rights.html#ixzz1hlTF0BNq
Excerpts from BO’s Christmas gift to Americans: Complete nullification of the Bill of Rights
Under the NDAA:
• You may be arrested and indefinitely detained merely for being “suspected” of any involvement whatsoever with “terrorism” — a term that can be twisted to mean almost anything, including protesting against animal testing laboratories or chaining yourself to a tree as an environmental protester.
• You no longer have a right to legal representation.
• You can be held for life without ever being charged for any crime.
• You no longer have a right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
• You can be murdered by the government — legally! — without ever being charged with a crime.
• The government does not have to present ANY evidence against you to take all these actions. The government merely has to assert that you are “suspected” of being involved in “terrorism.” Such suspicion, of course, could be dreamed up against anyone! Political opponents, Free Speech proponents, protesters, dissenters… anyone at all.
283 traitorous, criminal members of the House voted YES
The complete list of the traitorous, criminal members of the House who voted YES on this bill — all of which must now be arrested and prosecuted under the laws of the U.S. Constitution — is available here:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/rol…
Read these names well, because they will go down in history as the seditious elitists who betrayed the American people in their most desperate hour, unleashing total police state tyranny against the innocent.
That these people in Congress somehow think they have the right to strip away the very freedoms GUARANTEED the American people under the U.S. Constitution is an outright violation of their own sworn oaths to protect that Constitution.
It is also a deeply spiritual violation of natural law and a fundamental betrayal of the very principles upon which this country is founded.
Merry Christmas From BO, Congress, Legalized Martial Law?
December 14, 2011By LBG1
At the writing of this post the MSM reports the White House had signaled it won’t veto the National Defense Authorization Act which is expected to make its way out of Congress Wednesday night over to BO’s desk by Thursday.
A bill which, in the words of Congressman Ron Paul,”We have now institutionalized and codified martial law”. A bill which should be a litmus test for all presidential contenders including the President up for reelection. So far, Barack Obama plans on signing the bill into law on Thursday. Ron Paul is vehemently against the bill. Mitt Romney was caught clueless at a New Hampshire Town Hall while, to date, Newt Gingrich,has kept mum on whether he supports this travesty to civil liberties of American citizens, a bill which would allow the military to detain American citizens on American soil, the new McCarthy Era ushered in by Barack Obama as President.
Over at the ACLU website the report, White House Backs Away from Defense Bill Veto Threat.
“The president should more carefully consider the consequences of allowing this bill to become law,” Laura W. Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “If President Obama signs this bill, it will damage both his legacy and American’s reputation for upholding the rule of law. The last time Congress passed indefinite detention legislation was during the McCarthy era and President Truman had the courage to veto that bill. We hope that the president will consider the long view of history before codifying indefinite detention without charge or trial.”
The indefinite detention legislation enacted during the McCarthy Era, the Emergency Detention Act of 1950.
From the law review article, THE DANGEROUS WORLD OF INDEFINITE DETENTIONS: VIETNAM TO ABU GHRAIB by Jennifer Van Bergen and Douglas Valentine. An article written during the Bush presidency in response to Section 412 of the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001, known as the Patriot Act.
The JBV Line:
In enacting Section 412, Congress forgot its own teaching from only thirty years earlier when, in 1971, it repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 (a law enacted in reaction to the hysteria of the Communist scare of the infamous McCarthy era) and enacted the Non-Detention Act, prohibiting the detention of United States citizens “except pursuant to an Act of Congress.” The Emergency Detention Act (“EDA”) was modeled on the detention laws used to incarcerate people of Japanese descent during World War II and passed by Congress over President Truman’s veto. The EDA provided for administrative detentions of persons whom the Attorney General believed might commit espionage or sabotage, if the President de-clared the existence of an “internal security emergency.”
The EDA was never invoked and ultimately was repealed because it came widely to be viewed as dangerous to civil liberties. Truman, in unsuccessfully attempting to veto it, had noted that it “would make a mockery of our Bill of Rights [and] would actually weaken our internal security measures.”
[Ron Paul,”Everybody in this country is a potential terrorist”]
Against the about-to-be-signed-by-Obama National Defense Authorization Act, Republican presidential contender Congressman Ron Paul (TX) who appeared Wednesday at Joey’s Diner in Amherst, New Hampshire.
Ron Paul: “This last week the US Congress passed a bill which repeals Posse Comitatus which means we have now institutionalized and codified martial law. Right now the battle against terrorism involves all of us. Everybody in this country is a potential terrorist and the words they use in there to bring everybody in as a potential terrorist is any associated forces, which means if you happen to visit a website, happen to attend a meeting, happen to do one association you can be accused of being a terrorist and the bill says you have no right to a lawyer. They’ve been abusive of this for many years but now it’s been codified. And this president, about a year ago, announced that some of these bad people, even though they’re American citizens, don’t deserve even charges, that they can now be assassinated. We should be consciously aware of terrorism and deal with it but to say that we’re at war with the world and we can send a drone missile and send our troops anyplace that we want is very, very dangerous. Endless wars, attacking civil liberties, this Patriot Act is not very patriotic. Let me tell you, it’s an invasion of your privacy and I’ve been wondering, how many members of Congress would have voted for the Patriot Act if it would have been called the Repeal of the Fourth Amendment Act? Big government is alive and well but the grassroots are waking up.”
[Romney, Caught Clueless in New Hampshire]
On December 11, at Town Hall meeting in Hudson, New Hampshire, Mitt Romney, when questioned about the National Defense Authorization Act, seemed caught off guard and clueless.
Voter: “I’m concerned about the loss of freedoms in name of the so-called war on terror. In light of that, I thought you were going to speak to it, it was an amendment to a defense authorization bill last week that would allow the detention of Americans arrested in the United States and to allow the military to hold them indefinitely without charging them or trying them which I think is pretty dangerous and I’m wondering what you think of that?”
Romney: “Let me look at the particular authorization, ah, and, and, and I’ll make sure on our website we’ll describe our reaction to that particular amendment. I can tell you this, which is that there is an effort on the part of violent, radical jihadis to destroy America. They’re at war, they declared war against us and whether we like it or not, we are in wartime with that entity. The radical, violent jihadist, al Qaeda and their affiliates around the world are attacking us and will attack us and will use weapons of mass destruction if someday they get them. And so, in my view, we have to recognize that in our effort to pursue that conflict that the provisions that were associated with war are provisions we may need to protect ourself. At the same time we have very great need not to infringe upon the rights of our citizens and so it’s going to take a person of sobriety and stability and judgment and capacity to make sure that we not abuse the war time provisions in a way that would harm the rights of our citizens.”
To date, Newt Gingrich has yet to make any statements about the National Defense Authorization Act.
This will open the eyes of many as this is passed on and on and on.
Y’all Beware!
That is some excellent research, Y’all! Could you possibly contact me regarding attributed use of that information? daisy luther at rocketmail dot com
Thanks!!!
It’s been a busy news day. Here’s the Top Stories…
Our Fearless Leader wants to raise the debt limit, again! The Bomster says he’ll ask congress for another 1.2 Trillion, bringing the ‘official’ national debt(that’s the small portion that they actually keep on the books) to 16.4 Trillion. WOW! That’s more spending than three ex-wives with still-activated credit cards on a wine-jacked super day at the mall!
They call it the ‘debt ceiling’ but it might be more appropriate to call it the ‘debt sky’ or maybe the ‘debt stratosphere.’ (the debt from outer space? the debt that wouldn’t die? bride of debt? abbott & costello meet the debt?)
Speaking of outer space: Nasa has a new toy. It’s a big harpoon that they’ll shoot into the surface of asteroids that aren’t safe to land a craft on. It takes soil, rock, or chemical samples, then they reel it back in. Sounds promising, but it’s so expensive to operate that NASA has decided to open competitive bidding for corporate naming rights to the harpoon. Tang breakfast drink has been disqualified as a bidder, by the way.
China has unveiled a new super fast passenger train. It goes 500 kilometers per hour. That’s about 325 mph for you non-Canadians. The best part is, you can order fast food while on the train! Just slide the window down, yell your order as you pass Guang Jiu, throw your money in the second window at Beijing, and grab your sack in Shanghai! (dang, they forgot my ketchup. conductor, can you back up?) Plus, imagine hearing “You want fries with that?” with the doppler effect. Awesome!
Environmentalists are up in arms. It seems that several American cities are letting untreated sewage overflow into bays, lakes and rivers. I called a friend who lives in DC and asked if it was a problem there. He just sniffed and said ‘Nope. It smells like it always does here.”
This could be bigger than the new ipad. Several drug companies are testing a new super-strength pain killer. It’s pure hydrocodone. Said to be 10 times more powerful than Vicodin. No FDA approval yet, but customers are getting anxious. The drug isn’t even on the market yet, and already there’s 600 actors and professional athletes lined up outside the pharmacies in Hollywood!
Sinead O’Conner is getting divorced after just 18 DAYS of marital bliss. The buzz haired singer and her mate (name is unimportant, he will forever be known as Mr Sinead O’Conner) got married in a pink Cadillac at a drive up window (really) in Las Vegas. She says they have parted as friends and her only real worry is that she may be setting a bad example for the younger Kardashian girls. (ahh, the memories. remember our 1st week anniversary? and the 2nd week? if only we could’ve made it last a lifetime. on second thought, if we were cicadas, that WAS a lifetime)
Following what can only be described as ‘sexual assault’ by the Egyptian military, a court has ruled out any further “virginity tests” for women. I didn’t even know stuff like that really happened. And there is nothing funny about what was done to some of the women protesters there recently. I do find it odd though, that Lady Gaga AND Miley Cyrus have both just canceled tour dates in the middle east. coincidence? maybe not.
And finally- recently declassified information has revealed details of the ‘Hexagon’ spy satellite program from the 1970s and 80s. This secret operation sent high resolution cameras and LOTS of film into space, supposedly to peek at the Russians and Chinese. Long before google earth was ever concieved, military and cia snoops were taking high def pictures that could even show your house and swimming pool! Of the 60 miles of film developed, about half has been released to the public. Interestingly enough, almost all of it shows the back yard pool parties at Hugh Hefner’s place. By the way, Barbi Benton looks great in half a bikini!
SmokinO 🙂 Barbi Benton? Wow, your showing your age maybe. You crack me up…. Thanks!
hahahah! Funny!
I forgot to mention the Subject of my emails –
Freedom Is At Stake
Y’all Beware!
Fight Now, Die Later.
They all gotta go!! They have conspired to fleece the citizenry. Like the Roman’s every where they went they extracted the wealth of the citizens via taxation.
Could you imagine American citizens who have done nothing wrong being removed from their families and or water boarded? What controlling mongers have these rights? Expose them for what they are – spread the word!
Y’all Beware!
Fight Now, Die Later.
Let’s say, You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood….and your home has sewage up to the ceiling.
What do you think you should do……
Raise the ceiling by 1.2 billion, or pump out the crap?
Raise the ceiling by 1.2 trillion. What’s a few more zeros?
This is a good idea. People need to see that citizen activism DOES work. Look at what the people in California did about Governor “Red” Davis. They removed him. Look at what the people of Tennessee did about stopping their state income tax ten years ago. They took that capitol and stopped that horrible bill in its tracks.
Throw the bums out. They’re nothing but filthy garbage that stinks more everyday.
OATHKEEPERS, NRA & EVERY red blooded gun owner willing to lay our lives on the line in defense of the U.S. Constitution and he Bill of Rights, STAND NOW, STAND TALL, OUR COUNTRY MEN NEEDS US NOW! I SAY EXPOSE ALL WHO VOTED FOR THE NDAA AND THE HORRIBLY UNPATRIOTIC U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T…CHARGE THEM WITH TREASON, EXPOSE THE NATIONAL LIE THAT IS THE INSIDE JOB OF 9/11 and the hijacking of Christendom and the U.S. Military. Restore our Constitutional Rights and Civil Liberties, throw Obama and all New World Order Cronies out including Newt Gingrich, little more than wolves in sheeps clothing. Patriot or traitor..decide NOW. MAY GOD BLESS THIS JUST CAUSE & JUSTICE BE SWIFT!
I would citizen arrest them right now, but I think they took that right away, and gave money and that right to the cops. Not sure, it is so hard to keep up with what rights I still have. Hell, they would just shoot me or taze me even if I still had that right. Most of our sherrifs are on the fed teet for cash, so we cant call them. Is it american idol night?
I believe The middle state on the west coast had sponsored legislation to limit terms but it was only to become effective in the event that national term limits were enacted. How convenient. On the post on here I couldn’t help but notice in numerous places where it stipulated that this law was not to be enforced on the US citizens. I know what I read. So either some of us are smokin crack and it ain’t me or I am dumber than shit. Good possibility. So could some of you please explain to me why this is such a big deal? I relaxed right after I read that part that said no american citizens. As far as the Montana folks recalling their senators 2 thumbs up on GP
I-it’s a B-big D-deal because the “un-patriotic act” gives the prez the power to R-revoke “Any” Americans Citizenship! AND da’ power too S-sanction their D-deaths behind closed doors, AND now that they are no longer protected under the shroud of potection of the u.s. constitution and bill of rights, and labeled terrorist combatents, they become sub human and treated as such , lock away permanently in solitary confinement , with no rights of legal counsel or protection from cruel and unjust torture and punishment!
example: u.s. army specialist bradley manning!
THIS SHIT IS REAL PEOPLE!
make no mistake… bribed TRAITOR max baucus and bribed TRAITOR john tester of Montana and the rest of the bilderboybuggers of congress and our illegal alien prez BARRY SOETORO / obsama obama have DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN CITIZEN!
arm up stock up prepare – for the FREEMEN CIVIL WAR!
Lost One,
Lost One,
So you know what you read? Did you read this part?
4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
Read close and think hmmm did I read paragraph 1?
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
Hmmm or did it mean,
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
Either way with the signing of a simply waiver they can and will arrest and hold without due process any American they wish.
But hell who knows you maybe smarter then all the attorneys that have study this, You might even be smarter the the law enforcement that is raising hell about this. hell you might be the smartest guy in the world for all I know. But I pretty sure that these people I speak of including the folks on this site are not dumber then sh-t
Respectively,
DPS
@dps … “You Ignorant Slut!” What are you babling about… ? this post makes zero sense … pls clarify ? Or is your “alzheimers kickin’ in” again ? “Lost One – What?” Yur mind @dps ? ;0P pssszzt
ninaorket,
Ignorant Slut? Babling? LOL You are 1 crazy Mf.
DPS
my sincerest apologies @dps… i just saw what you were posting for , @lost one , above my post… apologies… i withdraw my comment and retract my statement towards @dps everyone. sorry dude i got a hairy trigger finger! ;0P
Ninaorket,
Its cool dude , you know you remind or a buddy I use to ride harley’s with. And he was 1 crazy mf too. but in the a good way if you get my drift. Peace out brother we areon the same page.
DPS
@dps thankyou sir, you are truly a warrior-scholar and the better man, i salute you! ;0)
This law “does not” apply to US Citizens. Devvy Kidd was the 1st to point this out. Perhaps previous versions had different language but this one excludes US Citizens.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
It looks like you’ve admitted to being dumber than shit. Perhaps you should toss your crackpipe as well.
The pos in the white house, and his gang of thugs/czars, the village idiot/turbo tax Timmy, the incompetent at the Department of Justice, not to mention the moocher of millions of your tax dollars with her ‘staff’ that is at least 23 times the size of any prior flotus. That doesn’t include the 2 senior staffers that are still in gradeschool. The thug-ocracy administration has done nothing that is good for this country. Their entire 3 years (plus prior years) has had one goal in mind – the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Its gonna be a long year. The fact is, the entire federal and state governments are full of people that neither care to follow the constitution nor know that they should. Traitors? Maybe. Dereliction of duty? Definitely. Fire some. Hang some.
NetRanger: The globalists in office want US to believe that they are incompetent, rather than cupable.
The difference is the sentence for malfeasance in office and sedition.
OWTFH!
thank you mr. mac salvo for this story… your a good man!
Sorry to break with the topic but I received another one of those ACS surveys. Which I promptly threw in the garbage. I can’t believe these dicks. It’s none of their GODDAMN business some of the questions they are asking on it. I filled out my census in 2010. That’s it. I’m not filling this invasion of privacy BS survey. Sounds like East German stazzi threats for none compliance. How many others have had this BS sent to them?
Everyone in Montana is now a terroist.
You .gov guys know what to do… I’m thinking tanks.
*this bout of sarcasm brought to you by someone who sincerely hopes the Montana recall movement suceeds but doubts it highly*
add the two wannabe Senators from Colorado to the “useless traitor” category. what a waste of taxpayers time and money.
@dps I did read that part and I would be curious as to whether the president would have to sign an individual waiver for each person deemed a threat to national security or whether it could be extended to a whole class of persons. If it were the latter, as I am interpreting it to be I would not be to concerned as I don’t believe the government is ever going to be chasing after individuals that are minding their own business and interests. I think when the shtf the government is going to be way to busy running for cover to worry about the likes of me. I just don’t see it at this point however I am not saying it isn’t so. Thank you for the intelligent response as it does give me something else to research. After I have read up on the others and tie it together I may very well be a heck of a lot more concerned. and yes that was me that gave you the thumbs up. Nina It was me that gave you the thumbs down. I am here because I believe that we have some very serious problems with the country and s will htf soon. However wheras I come here and read the posts and learn and occasionally comment I am not going to be swayed by someone trying to put me down or make me look dumber than I am. I am dumb enough for 3 of us and hardheaded, but smart enough to read and comprehend and have not a whole lot of need to sensationalize my posts by parroting what everyone else is saying, or by using foul language bad grammar and lack of cameraderie to get my info. We are here for the same reason and I do like the articles I just wish the posts that followed the articles had a little bit more room for discussion and intelligent argumentation so as to learn more. You know like discussion board instead of a fear mongering group. I would like to say I plan to stay as the info is good and Smokin Okie is always arespite from the serious stuff discussed here.
LO…Google “Reagan’s Executive Orders”.All Obama has to do is sign these and they will immediately go into effect, There are about 10 of them pertaining to FEMA camps, forced citizen labor and confiscation of basically anything they want including your land.Nixon really got the ball rolling on these in 1969 amid all the Vietnam protests and Ronny “improved” them. We have been in an official “State of Emergency” since FDR in the 30’s so his signature is all that is needed to bypass Congress. We are F…ed.
I won’t say anything rude as they can now lock me up forever…
But here’s what we’re doing…
WE NOW SPEND ZERO ON EXTRAS. WE DO NOT EAT OUT, WE DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS. WE PUT IT ALL INTO METALS FOR THE KIDS FOR THE FUTURE. LET IT ALL COLLAPSE. WHEN IT DOES, WE’LL BUY UP ALL THE CHEAP FARM LAND FOR THE GRAND KIDS.
WHEN THE POPULATION IS BOOMING FOOD WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. MY CAPS ARE MY RAGE. BANKERS AND CONGRESS…ENJOY THE MONEY….IT WON’T BUY YOU MUCH WHEN IT ALL COMES CRASHING DOWN.
Lost One,
do agree with this country is really screwed up and thank you sir for coming to this site and voicing your opinions. And you might be right about our gobberment to busy to think about us, however when you combine this bill with the patriot act it spells trouble for all of us. You say you wish the comments reflected more intelligent argumentation. Well I myself am a simple man hell if it wasn’t for spell check I would never post..I never claimed to be a smart man but I still do voice my opinion and that is what makes this site great. Oh yeah and don’t let Smokinokie fool you he is a very smart man.
DPS
PS we still win the most dysfunctional family award
Spell check, that’s what I keeping forgetting to use!
This law “does not” apply to US Citizens. Devvy Kidd was the 1st to point this out. Perhaps previous versions had different language but this one excludes US Citizens.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Tell me why the government is ramping up roadblocks, to harass those living in the respective areas, and ask them where they are going, what they are doing, and asking to search cars? If they don’t plan to use these laws on American citizens, what do they need roadblocks to harass American citizens now? This method is being used in several states now, practicing for what?
My Senator(Florida) told me these laws don’t pertain to US citizens. Anyone who believes they WON’T be used against American citizens is a fool. They can word the language any way they want, but everyone reading this blog knows what the real intent is. I told my senator he was a turncoat for voting for this amendment, and we needed protection from our government, not a bunch of rag head terrorist.
I’ve looked through this article twice and do not see any link to a website for the Montana recall effort. Mac, got a website so those of us in the other states allowing a recall can get things started in our own state? I’m in Colorado and would like nothing better than to see our two go.
With elections 10+ months away try recalling the senator not up for election and working to outright defeat the senator that is up for election. Recalls aren’t easy, but no state should have more than one senator they have to recall.
Why not actively work to defeat ALL of the congressional representatives involved in passing this through the House of Representatives?
Isn’t there a thing called a constitutional covention, that states can call for, and force changes to the constitution, basically taking back control of the government from these loons who are there now.? This would put a fear into these idiots in Washington.
But a recall petition by any state would be a great start. Once the ball gets rolling, I’m sure other states would join in.
Okay—I read the list of republicans and senators that voted for this…even with Devvy Kidd’s explanation, ‘something’s happening’ as Gerty in E.T. says.
What is it??? What do they know?? There’s just something not right about this bill.
And for you that think recalling, impeaching, or voting out is the answer.
We were against the bail out of 2008. It passed.
We were against the healthcare bill. It passed.
We were against the NDAA. It passed.
I am a realist. The journey down the rabbit hole is long. I have no faith that any action other than total revolution will return this nation to its Constitution.
Peace.
JJ: Faith without works is dead. Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
Pray for your faith. Patience is faith in action.
If you will not support and encourage the voices raised for OUR liberty …. be silent.
don’t forget NAFTA and GATT both not wanted and yet they both passed with flying colors.
What the great people of Montana is doing is courageous, but it wont mean a thing. Those men and their families that voted on the bill are getting what they were promised Shelter from the coming storm. No one that voted for the bill is worried about getting re-elected. There wont be another election folks. Dont you all get it? That’s why they voted on it. Game over. There all gonna be sitting a mile deep riding out the 2012 event , while we all die up-top.. It will all makes sense to you once you all see our little friend in the shy.
Open season on gang bangers when it all goes down. Funny, the gangs think they will have a field day when the SHTF. The reality, congress will fly out of the country, the folks left will fall into three camps… 1. the unrully, 2. the sheople, 3. The middle class prepped up organized neighborhood armies. It will be open season on any gang bangers who come into the burbs. Shoot first and don’t ask questions later.
Look. It won’t matter. Think of government as it truly is…a big freakin machine. It’s a machine with a bunch of corrupted parts that are not working as advertised or designed.
You simply cannot swap out a few parts and expect the machine to work properly.
It has to be stripped down to it’s frame.
Which means the damned thing as to be shut off. You can’t do it on the fly. Period. It’s impossible.
AND, you can’t replace the parts with ones that will work like the old ones. They have to have some kind of mechanism that keeps them from becoming corrupted or you’ll end up with the very same dang problem in short order.
It’s so refreshing that people are stepping away from their TV and Internet and going out to actually show action. Congratuations to them for doing something!
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/iowa-gop-moving-vote-count-to-undisclosed-location-to-prevent-a?xg_source=activity I laughed for ten minutes with this one. Why are the republicans doing this?. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES? THEY DO!(now in a secret location, for our own good of coarse!) Everyone who attends a cauccas in iowa needs to FILM the hand voting,and catch the results and name of location on film, so the fraud can be exposed viral on the net! I need sheep to wake up! The parties are corrupt to the core! Who counts the votes? Who counts the votes? Come on sheeple, ask yourself that 10 times. My favorite one(well in the top 10) is when someone “found” 20,000 votes in the trunk of a car in MN during that al frankin fiasco!! hahahahahahah!
Now that I am done spreading my globalist defeatist propaganda, this shill is going to cash my government troll check, and yes, no fed or ficca withheld again (those taxes are for you) and get some whiskey!
Here in Connecticut I sent a polite email to Sen. Lieberman who voted for it(no surprise). He sent back a form letter more or less lying and saying that none of that is true and no one can detain US citizens and we gotta fight the terrorists…they really think we’re stupid.
I would sure hope that the recall goes through, but judges as they are, are under the control of those higher up and a judge is about as slimy as a lawyer, so even if the recall goes through I bet a judge out there will be paid off to cancel the recall. this system is so bad that we should all cancel our membership in it, the USA, and start a brand new country!
Amen!
No one in this government represents me.
none of their views or ACTIONS represent what I hold to be a republic.
Every last one of them Traitors to the people of this country, and its vision for a governance by the people for the people.
Every dam state shoud be up in arms about this, and should gather no support to the treasonist slobs.
Clean slate 2012
The CONgress is only one step ahead of the White House–
and they have both been walking backwards for too long–kindof like the north end of a southbound jackass.
The dissection of our constitution by the wanna be powerbrokers in DC must desist immediately. Arm up Patriots, the time draws nigh. . .
Google-undisclosed tabulation location. They(republican party) are going to tally up the iowa vote in secret. Why not in live time on a web site, where people can see in real time, including the people at the cauccases? Everyone attending the caucases should film the voting while its happening, have audio of it also. The location must beable to be determined! After the fraud has taken place, we can post them on the net and expose the fraud.
Just sit back and let whats gonna happen, happen. Keep a low profile and dont get on the G-O-V_s watch board.2012 will be the hardest year this planet has ever faced. Its a turning point. Its human kind vs the g_o_v-s that think were just taking up space and keeping progress from happening. In truth, its the greedy global-i-s-t that keep the human race down. Good always wins people. It has no other course. We the PEOP-LE will prev-ail.
He never planned to honor the const_ituti0n when his own children’s ancestors were sla-ves, owned by its writers? Come on sheeple. He cant, he wont, he isnt. Thats why 0ba-m-a spits on it. Since day one his plan were to rewrite it . Thats what he thinks his historic calling card is. And he will get his chance. and he will do it..But his thinking is wrong. In theory it does pertain to all Americans. His mother in law makes him watch, “Roots” and then beats that rhetoric into his head. She is his most influential and dangerous adviser. Were all in so much trouble.
i am sure arizona will respond after they open session in jan. i personally have talked to frank antinori twice on this new law WITCH Mc Cain co authored and he says it makes his skin crawl. as we all know we are going downhill in a wheel barrel. arizona won’t be found lacking in defence when the time comes.
And our Constitution also reserves the right to the people to “alter or abolish” the federal government when it no longer serves America. Maybe this is how it begins.
HELL YA! REBEL YELL!
One can only hope that this would be the case. Basically, it is possible in theory. Whether or not it is possible in practice is another question altogether. Government is much like a large predatory animal (docile when chained and well fed but not otherwise) and it will not surrender its life without one helluva fight. It will not go gracefully, no matter how low it must stoop to survive. I guess the real question is, “Will it go at all?”.
Ok Iowan’s, lets get rid of Grassley! Who’s with me?
i hope they do this with Nevada and California soon.
I still do not understand why so many conservatives voted for this? Explain please. They must have known there would be a backlash. Are we so far gone that we don’t count anymore? Do they know our vote is going to be taken away and aligned themselves with this criminal administration?
“I still do not understand why so many conservatives voted for this? Explain please.”
June, my belief is that the conservative vs. liberal argument is basically a smoke-screen that covers the REAL issue, which is that of a ruling class vs. a ruled class. They are all members of the same club and the motto of that club is “we have power, you don’t, and we’re not ever giving it up”. Con vs. Lib is the circus element of the “bread and circuses” public distraction that rulers have used since at least the ancient Roman times. Welfare and food stamps comprise the “bread” portion.
Montanan’s need to be the BRIGHT LIGHT in our country to IGNITE the rest of our country! Our Representatives in the US House and Senate have become lifers in DC and we know that … when we give them authority to do our bidding for us. Unless Americans vote them out and start demanding that they do what they are voted in to do … it kind of behavior will continue to happen and these kinds of laws are just the beginning of the end of what is an already dismantled ‘democratic’ society. I think the great experiment is slowly but definitely coming to an end!
BUTCHER’S BILL 369
Let this be the motto.
Let this be the high price of treason.
369 against millions of p*ssed off patriots.
369 minority tyrants who deem themselves ruling class.
369 names who voted to violate numerous amendments, Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus, and douse the U.S. Constitution in flames, passing the NDAA S. 1867/H.R. 1540 allowing U.S. citizens detained and disappeared by U.S. military on U.S. or foreign soil.
Know their names well. There’s a test afterwords.
Written in blood.
SENATE (86 of 100)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00230
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES (283 of 435)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-932&sort=vote
How can ANY law possibly un-do what the US Constitution requires? It is the essence of the US Supreme Courts’ power that a law MUST be constitutional (in agreement with the US Constitution) IF it is to be valid. This so-called law MUST be challenged in court. If the judges are anywhere near honest in their judgment, this law WILL be thrown out as it so obviously needs to be. If it is not thrown out, then the government is not of, by, or for the people and IT needs to be replaced… by ballot, if possible, and by bullet, if necessary.