Now governors are abusing executive orders to trample on the 2nd Amendment as well.
With strong resistance in Congress to gun control measures, Obama has taken to working outside his constitutional authority yet again.
But he, his pen and his phone, are not alone this time.
To bring teeth to his pending executive orders, President Obama is working to enlist the help of many of the state governors who he hopes will sign their own executive orders.
To that end, Gov. Dannel Malloy in Connecticut is taking the first plunge in this end run around that pesky Constitution and Bill of Rights. Of course, Connecticut, home to the Sandy Hook shootings, has already seen its gun rights eviscerated:
NBC Connecticut reports:
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy plans to sign the first executive order in the nation to ban the sales of guns to people on federal government watch lists.
“We intend to prevent, by executive order through my powers as governor, those on government watch lists from obtaining a permit to purchase a firearm in Connecticut,” the Democratic governor said in a news conference Thursday.
Anyone who wishes to buy a gun in Connecticut must first apply for a permit from a public safety agency, then a thorough background check is conducted, Malloy said.
“The executive order would add an additional level of protection and require those who apply for a permit to be screened against government watch lists,” Malloy said during the news conference.
It’s not clear how many people this executive order would cover, but the governor said he has reason to believe people living in the state are on watch lists and the state should be in a position to deny permits to those individuals.
The state created some of the strictest gun laws in the country after 20 students and six educators were killed in a 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. Those laws banned assault weapons in Connecticut.
Gov. Malloy also discussed his intent to take away legally-purchased guns from owners on the watch list, as well, though others in Connecticut are already questioning his legal authority to do enact any of these policies. (See video here)
As SHTF explained the other day, the federal No Fly terror watch list is one of the worst instruments that could possibly be used. Firstly, it is has never stopped a terrorist from acting, though some may have been indentified ahead of time.
But, more importantly, the No Fly watch list has put thousands of people on its list for reasons of mere suspicion alone – it is not based upon past crimes or direct accusations based on evidence. The practices for being added to the list are secretive, and there is virtually no way of appealing, or being taken off the list. That is despite the fact that many of the people on the no fly list – who have been barred from getting on a plane and traveling – are on the list simply because they share a last name with a suspect, or a similar name.
In short, it is a civil rights disaster that is fewer degrees away from Nazi Germany than it is from Kevin Bacon. Using this No Fly list to bar people from buying a gun – a constitutionally protected right – is compounding that problem and denying due process to Americans.
Gov. Malloy has said that those who are denied will be able to appeal the decision, but nevertheless, it seems like something very close to this:
(cue at :36 seconds)
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Well I guess you better have what you need already then huh?
That was my thought as well Genius.
You want them? Come and get ’em.
I am not Rambo but my local cops are not Special Forces either. At the first verifiable proof that others are being attacked and guns being confiscated it is time to defend or bug out to a defensible position.
BigB
blah blah blah blah…you SHTFers sound so tough behind a computer; however, it will be extremely entertaining seeing your scary retarded faces when law enforcement comes to your houses at 4 am for gun confiscation…you will end up crapping your pajamas and begging for mercy to those government agents…”please officers don’t shoot me and here are my guns…I’m so sorry for the confusion”
Wrong. “What guns? There are no guns here.” or “My guns were stolen and you can see for yourself where they kicked in the back door…”
We won’t be helping Vern and other losers when the looters come to the door at 4pm.
and of course you filed police and insurance reports to prove they were stolen
Maybe Vern, but not in all cases. Even 20% noncompliance will cause a huge headache for local law enforcement. And he more incidents there are, the percentage will rise dramatically. Sor y to give you a straight answer since you were just trolling, but there it is
Vern; you may be on the list but go ahead and make fun of a serious situation. People will be put on the list for any reason now regardless of innocence or not. Its an end run around the Constitution and illegal. Civil war could be the result. Where are you going to be legally?
Vern, you’re just another useless troll. How the f#$% do you know any of us will surrender? Go f#$% yourself and hump your hero Obama’s leg for awhile.
Right brave, he can get leg humping lessons watching you and your lovebird genius. By the way, didn’t you ask me a couple threads back what I meant by you humping genie’s leg? Seems you were never confused about it after all, were you?
Anon, you absolutely AMAZE me. How can anyone who is such a giant asshole keep their guts from just falling out on the floor? 🙂
Genius, sometimes I can actually laugh at the trolls.
By shoving your BIG HEAD into the gap.
Shit head.
Anon, you’re the shithead for being a troll.
Anon, you just don’t have anything better to do, right? Why don’t you and Vern get together? You two sound right for each other.
Hey, children. Do you suppose we could get to somewhere in the neighborhood of being on the point..? Personally, I’m still trying to figure out how anything like those watch lists, especially since there are now real-world consequences to being on one, is anything like Constitutional, and maybe how they don’t infringe on the Second Amendment. No proof needed, no reason for suspicion given (like maybe, “Don’t like his last name”)… So once again Obama is violating the Constitution, and NOW he’s asking the State Governors to violate it with him. I swear I’ve never seen so many supposedly educated people have so much trouble with perhaps the shortest, simplest Amendment there is!
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” That word, “to infringe”, refers to anything at all that in any way affects the choice of the American people who choose the exercise that right. That means that we have the RIGHT to own firearms, and if you want to push it, that should, as written, mean anything from a BB gun to a Howitzer to a nuclear weapon. “Arms” = weapons. So regardless of individual choices for weapons preferences, it’s none of the government’s business, per the Constitution! I hope they yank this Governor out of the Governor’s mansion so fast his shoes are left standing empty!
Anyhow, so that’s The Law. Obama has broken the law repeatedly; now he’s encouraged the State Governors to do it too. I think they should ALL hear from the voters. NOW.
Wow, Ian, What you wrote is DEAD ON RIGHT!!! Obama, what an asshole, I could have told him Isis was in the millions, the whole damn government fu**ed up and either always lying or just not telling us Americans Crap… “He” Is up to something, that’s why we don’t/Haven’t seen much of him..
p.s gotta be careful what I write.
But anyway, Does this all mean I have to give up all my legal semis & Licenced hand guns my husband has ??? I told my husband over a year ago, have you noticed no one has amo for all 14 semi automatic I one, and he just brushed me off, typical ignorance of most people, & is it just me that everything has Cameras build in,,, again, my hubby & Kids laugh at me because I cover those little sucker, on all my devices, if I have to use the camara I just remove the tape, my friggen TV has a camara, some of the game systems like x box has camaras to.. We’d be better off in Russia, at least Putin had/has bigger balls than our Joke of a Commander and Cheif, he’s at the wrong pow wow,
Do you think I should remove pix of my semis I have on FB ??? That el piss me off big time, Bastards … Andrea
I thought you said you had no idea what that meant brave. What changed your mind, now you seem to know exactly what it means.
Vernanon….Has a nice ring to it!
As I understand it, it is much cheaper and easier to file suit in STATE govt, than it is to file against the federal govt. There is a much better chance of overturning “EOs” at the state level, than getting the SCOTUS to overturn congress. The supremes almost always defer to congress. Governors are much easier litigation targets.
Who said it will a human being knocking on the door to get your guns. Cops and military know a civil war will start if that happens. They will use “other” methods.
Someone, if a robot or anything else is used, there are ways to stop them.
I think he meant there are other ways to eliminate guns without coming and physically taking them. The majority of gun owners have lost their spine and I think would willingly hand them over if it meant tax breaks, food during a crisis, if keeping their va benefits hinged on it, or if they were forced to buy into gvt mandated insurance and that insurance doubled for “risky behaviors”.
Sure, there are those of us who would hold on to me or stash em, but then what..?
every place these cowards sit down to eat their vulnerable, they the so=called cops have to eat don’t they, never give them a moments cooperation, they will bug out. they have to live don’t they? they have to eat, everything they touch from then on they will have to worry is it poison or is it good, life as they know it will cease to exist…
Your grammar is awfull. You need to take a class in English reading and writing.
Many have thought that in the past Vern . But they didn’t realize how much we love a fight. Can’t wait to meet you and yours.
Hey Vern, ??????????????????
Vern = 1. A subservient, boot licking, cop suckler.
2. A steroided, low I.Q. cop who cant think for himself that blindly follows orders.
Blah blah blah.
What would the life span be of anyone wearing a government costume who kicked in doors to remove a man’s self defense tools be?
A week?
3 days?
Would you take that job?
They too are only human & they want to live long enough to collect their pensions & to see their kids grow up, safely.
Dave, if they want to live at all, they best NOT become gun grabbers.
Well vern,, first off you better drop by helicopter. Second, i am awake at 4. So, you bust my door, you are in for one hell of a surprise. I don’t care who you are.
“Retarded”, …does your ignorance come from an existence of self loathing initiated by a mother that named you Vern?
Dudes…….don’t wury bout Vern. Tink of ol’Vern as dat ‘Trojan…Hor.’ NO wait ! ….’Rubber’ wit a pinprick hole in da end…..dat could seep out a spermite. He’s one dem friends….’a skeet pollease’ that comes to your place unannounced and lookin ta screw your chances ta bust a nut on a chick. RIP DAT BOOGER OFF AND LET’ER RIP.!!!!!!
Not Hardly……That’s sleeping in. I’m up before they are
Vern your either an emasculated libtard, or a jack booted red coated gov thug, probably both. Vern you and Malloy should stock up on depends, apparently you crap your pants every time you think about a someone with a gun.
I may crap my skivvys (I quit wearing pajamas when I a little kid, pu$$y boy) and you (traitor) may get my guns, but they will be hot an empty. Yea, your a real tough guy when your gang of thugs has got your back, just like the rest of the gang banging cowards……
Hey you know they are killing unarmed Christians as well as any one who doesn’t agree with “Vern” daily in the Middle East, they are in need of more morons over there, since that’s probably what you really want, you should join em tough guy! You certainly don’t belong here!
FOAD Shite for brains!
Molon Labe
Vern is probably 90% correct. There are only a handful people here that would return fire. Its the ones that have been pushed into a corner and don’t give a fuk anymore. Kula would be one, maybe MT and big b. What ever happened to epee’s “friend” living off grid in the florida swamp on 2 acres, a car battery and a solar panel?
Let me say this, If you havent faced your mortality you need a gut check. This one thing I’ll promise you, they will be filling more than one body bag that night. If they think they have the balls, then bring it. We need to quit all this bullsh@#t and take out the trash in this country. By the way, Shut your face VERN!
And for someone who’s never met the person he’s castigating you sure have a lot to say… This move is yet ANOTHER attack on the Constitution and a clear move toward totalitarianism. It could easily become the centerpiece for an impeachment, if only someone in Congress would grow a pair!
Well Mr. Vern, I one individual that’s not afraid or scared of any COP or Black Suit walking the street. They come to my door demanding my guns, they better be ready for one
He*l” of a fight and that is irregardless of what time of the day or night they decide to put their life in danger. I spent 31 years of my life defending this Country and its Constitution, almost died 4 times in the process, so being in a gun battle does not phase me the least bit.
There should be a no governing list, except no list could contain that many names. I nominate Vern as the 5,000,000,001st, right behind the 5,000,000,000 federal employees.
Vern — It is enlightening to observe somebody so inimical to this site and its readers candidly admit that he is gleefully anticipating confiscation. You simply confirm what we all know: so-called “common sense” measures are a thin smokescreen for an extremist agenda.
Mac — You may find the following article (see link below) useful as fodder for an editorial. It calls for investors to shun arms manufacturers, in a fashion similar to boycotts taken against oil companies and tobacco companies. It contains gems such as this:
“We benefit from the commercial exploitation of fossil fuels in a way that we don’t from civilian gun ownership; the harm done by those who use tobacco is primarily confined to themselves and not inflicted on others….”
Apparently the author (a Suzanne McGee from –gee, what a surprise– New York City) does not consider it a “benefit” that scores of lives would have been saved if any armed civilians had been present at the mass shootings that she decries. Likewise, by characterizing smokers as causing little harm to others, she appears to be oblivious to the countless hundreds of thousands of children whose health suffered from growing up since infancy in smoke-filled homes for well over two hundred years in this country…. not to mention the adults subjected to second-hand smoke in every office, store, warehouse, and hospital (until the late 1970s; I remember hospitals letting patients smoke in bed) in the country.
I could go on, but I shall leave it to you to determine whether this all-too-typical fool should be taken to task on this page. Best Wishes ~ KV
http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2015/dec/06/guns-investment-portfolio-401k-arms-manufacturers
Start breaking open the cartridge box….
This is only the tip of the Iceberg for the beginning of an Aussie style gun control push…. Which Hitlery will implement when she is elected fraudulently like zer0 was…..
people, it is now time to fight back!
I don’t buy that line about common sense gun laws, but I do believe in common sense safety. Keep your finger off that trigger until your ready to shoot someone. Trekker Out! Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!
I don’t buy that line about common sense gun laws, but I do believe in common sense safety. Keep your finger off that trigger until your ready to shoot someone. Trekker Out! Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!
Whats with this, is Mountain Trekker, Bravehearts Cuz.
MT,,are you brave heart’s georgia cousin?
Oh dear!
I may be Bravehearts Wyoming Cousin. He’d be Welcome anytime. Trekker Out. Freemen Own Guns, Slaves Don’t!
gotcha, that is exactly what is coming..
Can anyone explain to me just HOW Obama’s clear attack on the Second Amendment by illegal means NOT a crime? Excuse me: ANOTHER crime…
There is no congress to bypass! They’ve sold out lock stock and barrel!!!
got that right, congress is a bunch of PUSSIES!
well these scumbags who have killed our country are NOT thinking that anything will change, BUT when civil un-rest does happen they will be remembered for the scum that they are and of course they will get all our guns barrel first!
We NEED guns to protect ourselves and our families.
San Bernardino Killers’ Friend Talked ‘Sleeper Cells’
‘So many people just waiting’
(NY Times)
link on Drudge Report
Direct link…
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/us/enrique-marquez-san-bernardino-attacks.html?_r=0
next will be
anyone who says something he doesnt like , cant own a gun or fly
Next is the ‘no free speech list.’ I’m not sure when the ‘goes to Fun Camp’ list is coming, but it’s on the horizon.
Bracken can sure call them.
How is that different from any other concocted “reason” to illegally alter the Constitution? Reasons don’t matter, excuses don’t matter; it’s the Constitution we’re talking about now, and THEY are talking about turning that bedrock document into gravel for THEIR convenience! This is borderline impeachable if he pushes it, too. Added to other, unquestionably impeachable offenses and he’d be out of the Oval Office fast – IF someone with the authority to push an impeachment and the cojones to DO IT would do it!
The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; Those are inherent within you. Rather, it exists to form a LIMITED government so those NATURAL RIGHTS CAN BE EXERCISED FREELY.
You can be put on a no fly list for just a suspicion, without due process of the law. All American citizens are supposed to be guaranteed this due process. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I am afraid our government has just about pushed we the people to the point where our second ammendment is going to end up being used for what it was designed for. For we the people rise up to prevent a tyrannical government.
Anon, that’s true, and the point is getting closer. I can feel it.
Cravemenhart. Ohhhhh…not feeling it again??? How many times have you felt it.
“Tunkcuf”, an anagram for cuntfuk?
That was awesome Nobama. Really got me there. If this were grade school you would be the cool kid. haha.
bravelicker..you’ve been feeling it slide down your throat for years..ass licker.
[SARCASM ON] Anon and Tunckuf, oh yeah, I really feel the love coming from you trolls. You’re both a real joy! [SARCASM OFF]
How is that different from any other concocted “reason” to illegally alter the Constitution? Reasons don’t matter, excuses don’t matter; it’s the Constitution we’re talking about now, and THEY are talking about turning that bedrock document into gravel for THEIR convenience! This is borderline impeachable if he pushes it, too. Added to other, unquestionably impeachable offenses and he’d be out of the Oval Office fast – IF someone with the authority to push an impeachment and the cojones to DO IT would do it!
Obama has long since FAR overstepped the boundaries of his position. If the Congress hasn’t acted to impeach by now, the man could walk into the Congress and likely blow someone away and walk out, and they’d never do a thing. Except maybe wonder, “Gee – I wonder what HE did wrong..?” Whatever gets done, it’s going to HAVE to be done by us – by We the People of the united states of America. Or not at all, and God help us, it’s looking more and more like it’s going to be not at all.
How is that different from any other concocted “reason” to illegally alter the Constitution? Reasons don’t matter, excuses don’t matter; it’s the Constitution we’re talking about now, and THEY are talking about turning that bedrock document into gravel for THEIR convenience! This is borderline impeachable if he pushes it, too. Added to other, unquestionably impeachable offenses and he’d be out of the Oval Office fast – IF someone with the authority to push an impeachment and the cojones to DO IT would do it!
Obama has long since FAR overstepped the boundaries of his position. If the Congress hasn’t acted to impeach by now, the man could walk into the Congress and likely blow someone away and walk out, and they’d never do a thing. Except maybe wonder, “Gee – I wonder what HE did wrong..?” Whatever gets done, it’s going to HAVE to be done by us – by We the People of the united states of America. Or not at all, and God help us, it’s looking more and more like it’s going to be not at all.
good point
have any of the people who commited crimes with a gun been on that list?
NO,
Will this stop so called gun violence?
NO!
Why doesnt the MSM look at why there are so many violent crimes in places like Chicago or LA???
Wonder how many of those peeps are on the “no fly list”?
KULA , The lists are secret anyway , there is no way to know if you are on a no fly list.
Only Homeland security has the list of no fliers.
So how the does this law even work ?
I guess you find out your on a no fly list when the MFers kick your door in and demand the gun you just bought ?
I dont think to many governers will take this up .
Hammerhead, it’s a safe bet the most antigun states will follow suit. I don’t think any of the pro-gun states will consider it.
Cuz on a rare ocassion you sound half way smart!
Over here you find out when you fly somewhere, you get there then they wont let you come back, happened to a friend of mine,
“I don’t think to many governors will take this up.’
Well, they’ve got one already. A rather self-righteous looking one, too. I wonder how many people have considered how guns and, say, vehicles compare in level of deadliness, ease of acquisition, etc.? I mean, someone driving a car could just blow right through almost ANY level of personal protection. So wouldn’t it make sense – at LEAST as much sense as taking away guns – to remove driving privileges too? Well, but since it’s not about that, but about removing the right to defend ourselves and those we love, it’s not quite a that useful a parallel, I suppose. Still and all, the Second Amendment is one of the shortest, most uncompromising Constitutional amendments there are: it’s short, clear and to the point! It essentially says that if you’re an American citizen and still sucking air you have the RIGHT to own weapons – “arms”. PERIOD. Beyond that one qualification, that is, being an American, THERE ARE NO OTHER “IFs”. SO – just where does Obama and any toadying Governors get off IGNORING THAT CLEAR INTENT of the Founder’s and adding an interpretation of that Amendment that’s just… out there, hanging on nothing at all except a wannabe dictator’s grasping fingers?
I have some ideas about what Obama can do with his pen, for practice, and then there’s that phone – which I hope is all sharp corners… There is NO ROOM for interpretation – only for reading, understanding and taking it as the uncompromising Law that it is! Anything else is sheer re-writing, and while a united Congress might actually DO THAT, Obama, alone, CAN NOT! Nor can a governor, any more than either or both could rewrite the Constitution. So why is he, and why would a governor ALSO take advantage of this and add yet MORE restrictions on gun use? Also, couldn’t a decent Constitutional lawyer hang a few charges on such behavior – like High Treason, and maybe a few other, lesser charges as well? Apparently there isn’t enough testosterone in the entire Congress for them to do their job. I guess the Rothschilds and Rockefellers have taken Washington D.C. Well, it never WAS the actual Capital of the united states of America anyway.
I wonder how long it would take Philly to fix up our old building there? What with our no longer being required to fund that ten square miles of Rothschild memorial marble forest and Luciferian showplace, America could afford the move, I would think.
The MSM is owned, lock, stock and press passes. The majority of the largest MSM corporations are owned by 5 people, at least the last time I read about it several months ago. Basically we see and hear what they want us to – meaning what their owners want us to. No, MSM “reporters”, “journalists” and talking heads say what they’re TOLD to say; none of ’em go out and get their own information. They read scripts, watch the teleprompter, whatever… I wouldn’t buy a used car from ANY of ’em at this point! The Internet is about the best place to get info these days, and you’ve still got to do your due diligence. Too many people who publish on the Net are looking for attention and have little or noting to say, or they don’t investigate what they publish for themselves first and just pass along whatever sounds or looks good, and may or may not be true; or it may be
what they think we want or fear to hear. No, for all intents and purposes, We the People are the true MSM now here on the Internet. The days of people like Cronkite and Murrow are long gone. We keep EACH OTHER as well informed as possible now. Who else can we rely on better than people in the same boat?
I don’t think most Americans know what inalienable rights mean? They are rights that can’t be taken away for any reason. Not felons , not restraining orders , not no fly, not post traumatic stress, not depression drugs, We opened the gates to these rats with seat belt laws . Then more bimbo safety laws. Those that would give up freedom to gain security . Deserve neither . And will lose both.
Let the Civil Law suits begin , and bog the crap out of our useless “legal system”
“The first thing we do, lets kill all the Lawyers.”
William Shakespeare
The general agreement of legal sites is that the right to travel unmolested is recognized as inherent in a combination of articles, and is held to exist this way (from http://www.law.justia.com):
The doctrine of the “right to travel” actually encompasses three separate rights, of which two have been notable for the uncertainty of their textual support. The first is the right of a citizen to move freely between states, a right venerable for its longevity, but still lacking a clear doctrinal basis.1858 The second, expressly addressed by the first sentence of Article IV, provides a citizen of one State who is temporarily visiting another state the “Privileges and Immunities” of a citizen of the latter state.1859 The third is the right of a new arrival to a state, who establishes citizenship in that state, to enjoy the same rights and benefits as other state citizens. This right is most often invoked in challenges to durational residency requirements, which require that persons reside in a state for a specified period of time before taking advantage of the benefits of that state’s citizenship.
1858 Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999). “For the purposes of this case, we need not identify the source of [the right to travel] in the text of the Constitution. The right of free ingress and regress to and from’ neighboring states which was expressly mentioned in the text of the Article of Confederation, may simply have been conceived from the beginning to be a necessary concomitant of the stronger Union the Constitution created.”‘ Id. at 501 (citations omitted).
1858 Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999). “For the purposes of this case, we need not identify the source of [the right to travel] in the text of the Constitution. The right of free ingress and regress to and from’ neighboring states which was expressly mentioned in the text of the Article of Confederation, may simply have been conceived from the beginning to be a necessary concomitant of the stronger Union the Constitution created.”‘ Id. at 501 (citations omitted).
1859 Paul v. Virginia, 75 U.S. (8 Wall.) 168, 180 (1868) (“without some provision . . . removing from citizens of each State the disabilities of alienage in other States, and giving them equality of privilege with citizens of those States, the Republic would have constituted little more than a league of States; it would not have constituted the Union which now exists.”).
Ian
i think the lawsuits will be settled from a GUN point of view, (if you get my drift) were are going to see LOTS of things happen here that have NOT happened in a VERY long time since the early days of this country, Those idiots in Washington, are JUST now starting to realize that the average JOE in this country is tired of there lies and mores lies and are ready to remove them from office, they are scared shitless of Trump, NOT because of HIM but because of how many people ARE for what he is saying.
In a collapsed economy the gov. Employees won’t give up their pay checks .thats fine. But if they come to our homes to take anything it’s party time. And our family members are flying F15 s so go ahead make our day.
So what about the guns that these people on the supposed list have in their possession at present? I think this order is being penned to confiscate those firearms more than block purchases of new ones. How many of those people actually bought or have tried to buy guns anyway? And who’s to say the gov’t won’t start putting names on it, especially current gun owners just to confiscate what arms they already have? They’ll even take hunting rifles at some point.
As far as I know the state Governors can’t nullify the U.S. Constitution any more than the Federal Government can. The people of the U.S. also need to remember that NO leader can lead if no one chooses to follow. Regular, ordinary people in the U.S. are NOT the problem here, and everyone knows that “gun control” is no more and no less than disarmament of the populace to prevent their fighting back against an unconstitutional “government” takeover via martial law. All of the false-flag incidents involving individual shooters are to provide the excuse they need to take guns away from the people, who are, as I said, NOT the problem. Sandy Hook was shown to be a U.S. “government” (the D.C. government, that is) false-flag. So are most if not all of the incidents being used to provide a reason for ever-increasing “gun control” – i.e. citizen control involving guns that could severely inconvenience any agency attempting to take over the country and herd people who still believe in the Constitution into “re-education camps” from which they are unlikely to return. Folks, when people who disagree with the government are called BY that government “likely terrorists” in order to qualify them for abuse under anti-terrorism laws, then we are just one step away from a Nazi Germany style police state. When the military and police are made judge, jury and executioner, we’re THERE.
Excellent comment, and correct!
Those actions are Treasonous. Enforcement of them by those who took the Oaths are *Terrorism and makes the enforcers Traitors to the American people and the US Constitution, iincluding those wh create those orders.
*28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.
Remember to break the required Oath is a felony, and the crime of Perjury.
Anyone in authority, Oath or no, who breaks the bedrock Law of the Constitution can be indicted for treason as far as I understand. Obama has stretched it so far he should have at LEAST been reprimanded long ago, and he has flat-out broken it more than once! Getting around it is ALSO breaking it, just not as obviously as in some other instances. Regardless, the man clearly LOATHES anything that gets in the way of his mission: to sunder the states from each other and break down respect for and reliance upon the Law as stated in the Constitution! He needs to removed from office, NOT allowed to continue until he’s out from having completed his last term! He is a lying criminal holding the country’s highest office, and hold our God-given rights for ransom as well, and that’s MORE than enough reason to impeach! He clearly has usurped the office AND usurped powers that belong to NO office in this country, FAR exceeding the intent of the Founders. It also says that we have traitors and/or utter COWARDS in Congress, and we had damned well better find some real patriots to replace the chair-warmers who are apparently in it for the power and the perks. We’re running out of time. I don’t WANT him to have the chance to extend his tenure as President by declaring a National Emergency. He’d then end up using what there is of our military who would obey such orders to try and enforce it, and enforce the roundups, etc., and he’d find he HAS to use the U.N. and other foreign troops in the country against the citizens of this country and likely against other elements of our military! I KNOW that’s got to be utterly illegal, but I can’t figure out how. Anyone? I suspect too that we would only THEN learn just how many radicalized Muslims we have in our country, and THEY would get the biggest surprise they could have imagined when it turns out that Americans are NOT all the fat, lazy, cowardly slobs they believe they are up against! It’s a lesson they’ll never get the chance to learn from, though.
Ian; BINGO!
IM, DING DING DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER! police state is the ultimate goal of those turds and an armed populace is the only thing left to stop them.
This is huge people!! They found a way to take everyone’s guns without making it super obvious to the common American. All they have to say is YOU are a terrorist! No evidence needed! WE NEED TO STOP THIS!!
My apologies, but I meant to add that any Governors who cooperate with such an effort by the Federal “authorities” of Washington D.C. to implement this had better be removed from the Governor’s mansion and replaced with someone who follows the Founder’s intent in what they included in the Constitution, and it had better happen so fast that D.C. has NO time to react!
soon commenting on this site will get you on the list….
too late
Enemy…Im going to test that by purchasing another gun this weekend. A Ruger Gunsite Scout .308. I need a match to my wifes AR-10 .308.
I’m going to a gun show this weekend. I’ve got to find replacements for my 2 favorite pistols taken in the burglary anyway. If I have to, I’ll go OFF THE BOOKS. I’ve done that before. I’m not giving up anything.
Brave, check the Palmetto State Armory web site, Christmas deals are pretty good.
SR, I’ll check it out, but I’m in TN, so I’m not so sure they’ll deal with me.
Brave, you might need to go through an FFL holder.
They’ll ship your choice to your local FFL, they’ll do the transfer.
thats great, im going to buy this weekend too
We don’t want police and military to obey illegal orders . But we all obey illegal CCW laws . Are we cowards. Afraid to obey unconstitutional laws. We’re do we draw the line. You law abiding rats. Will be our end.
We obey when we shouldn’t because even the police don’t appear to understand the law, and it would get someone killed. Likely it would be the cop. That’s exactly WHY it was done that way!
Running Scared. The state is small enough so why doesn’t he go ahead with full GUN CONFISCATION. Ultimate goal. Just Do It! Get’er Done!
Which is worse?
Syrian Refugee’s with possible Terrorist Infiltration or Gun Grabbing Liberals?
Damn this country is fucked up.
Hands down gun grabbing liberals
Only one I want to get. M1A Scout. After that I don’t care, but for those who don’t have what they want or need. TIME TO BUY, BUY, BUY!!!!!!
Get your AMMO. It is next.
For any of those Governors that sign on to this we have your names on the Non-American list. Treasonist list. If you don’t know what can be done to traitors, you had better look it up!!!!
If you are on the No-Flight list how in the hell are we going to kick some of the Muslime, haters, killers, murders, rapist, liars, thieves, scumbags out of our country? I know any way possible. life raft. let them walk on water. woops they can’t walk on water, but who cares. I sure as hell don’t.
Damn Fools are trying to start a Civil War/Revolution!!!!
AIM SMALL MISS SMALL
Sgt.
a true list should be made and published
EOTS, they have their lists and we have ours. Lists are a two-way street; double-edged sword.
Im sure they fear your list.
[SARCASM ON] Anonymous, ooooh, I’m so scared of you trolls. I’ll be a good boy from now on. I promise. [SARCASM OFF]
Hey braveheart, they’re not saying that to try to scare you, they’re pointing out how ridiculous you sound with your same old same old nonsense. You repeat yourself every day like you’ll forget if you don’t keep saying the same old crap all the time. Sounds like you may have Alzheimers or possible brain damage somehow, you probably want to get that checked out.
Dave is another troll. HO HUM.
“Damn Fools are trying to start a Civil War/Revolution!!!!”
No, a revolution is changing the tyoe of government which is what those Traitors and Domesitc Enemies who serve within our government is doing.
What WE are doing is DEFENDING our legitimate government from the Traitors, and REPLACING them as we are constitutionally required to do.
Abraham Lincoln: “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution”
Benjamin Franklin: “In free governments the rulers are the servants, and the people their superiors and sovereigns. For the former, therefore, to return among the latter was not to degrade but to promote them.”
Cal
So true So true!
The problem is we can’t tell what we have for all the B.S. that has been adding and subtracting.
Ok maybe I should have stated a firefight!!!! What ever shit is coming and it is going to hit us hard!!!!
Hang in there my friend, and Keep the Faith.
Sgt.
Yes please, “buy buy buy”! I stocked up knowing the sheep would panic and drive prices up again. I nearly retired off of the idiotic panic after sandy hook.
So yes, if you’ve missed all the signs so far and are STILL unprepared, Uncle Marcus has what you need. Won’t be cheap though.
My two most useful firearms were stolen by a bunch of junkies. They got very good at distracting me at one door while one of them was elsewhere. Dammit! On SSDI and a pittance from the VA, there’s just no way to replace ’em at this point. Have to make do what what I have and a few close-range weapons – Gurkha kukri, Louisville Slugger, that kinda thing. Well, I really haven’t expected to live through this anyway; besides, nobody gets out of this life alive. Too old, too damaged. Plenty of stubborn though! What happens happens. Whatever happens though, I’ll never see the inside of a FEMA camp, one way or another.
Missouri
a shit load of burner phones were purchased at 3:50 am from a walmart
and in that same area of Missouri a shit load of propane tanks have been stolen
just recently on a jeep trail in.. you guessed it Missouri Pulaski county a large amount of explosives have been found
now what Democratically held city or town is in bankruptcy? or dam close?
thats where the next Psy Ops was, or is planned.. maybe the news of this getting out will blow their cover?
Heads Up!
“E”
Thanks for the Info.
Sgt.
The only ones stoping us are the police . The domestic enemy?
The Anti-Constitutional officials… JUMPED…
Now what are you going to do?
How much longer before asslips is out of office? We should have impeached him ages ago. Nixon didn’t even do this much before he was kicked out.
The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; Those are inherent within you. Rather, it exists to form a LIMITED government so those NATURAL RIGHTS CAN BE EXERCISED FREELY.
The 2nd Amendment is “an inherent right” which can NOT be taken from any law abiding citizen. The “no fly list” is a list that includes persons of suspicion not necessarily proven guilty of anything. Whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? I’m afraid that if this government continues on this tyrannical path and continues stripping the rights of law abiding citizens, they may find out why the founders made sure that they listed the right to keep and bear arms as an inalienable right, a RIGHT THAT CAN’T BE TAKEN FROM THE PEOPLE. Thomas Jefferson said it best, The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
What if you’re not law abiding, Texas? Like you spit on the sidewalk, or build a fence that is 6 inches higher than the gestapo allows?
Can’t buy a firearm. Now I understand “law abiding.”
f ’em. Time to start.
I believe most states DO NOT prohibit gun sales for minor infractions. In general, this link shows who MAY be prohibited. Not saying I agree with them, just stating what the law is. It is our duty as citizens to change laws we don’t agree with. Personally, I wouldn’t disallow anyone other than those convicted of a violent crime with a firearm.
htt p://smartgunlaws.org/prohibited-people-gun-purchaser-policy-summary/
It’s our duty not to obey unconstitutional laws. Who says what’s constitutional . A bunch of black robed lawyers. Or us? The dam Supreme Court s unconstitutional . Look it up. We are being played. Like bitches. Go watch a ball game.
MDK. Good attitude law abiding rats will lead us to destruction. Washington didn’t obey . Jefferson didn’t obey , but many did and got payback. Paybacks a bitch.
Can not be taken away from any law abiding citizen .? Can not. Be taken away for any reason. You are the domestic enemy. They will always have a reason. For the idiots to follow. Move to Canada . If you want to follow idiots. Or Mexico . They will love you there.
All my SHTF arms and ammo preps are complete. Don’t have to worry about background checks. Seek peace but prepare for war. Last purchase was on black friday.
Good for you sir. Glad to see someone has it together.
BlackJack
What took you so long?
Hahahaha!
The last one was a small hide away pistol all other basis covered long ago.
Off Topic.
Just saw a the movie trailer called AmeriGegdon!
Look up the trailer and it is cool. It is showing what is to come!!!!
MUST SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sgt.
Just watched the movie trailer. Looks pretty good. Reminds me of some books I’ve read such as One Second After or maybe the 299 Days series.
This is an obvious form of pre-crime, similar to minority report. Hang the traitors for their actual crimes.
IT HAS BEGUN, AND WE WILL NOT SEE WHO THE FREEDOM AND LIBERTY LOVERS ARE IN OUR POLICE FORCES, AND WHO THE TREASONOUS TRAITORS ARE.
test
Sgt. Dale- is the aforementioned movie similar in concept to “Grey State”? I’ve not watched the trailer you mentioned-I will- hopefully this won’t get squashed like the filmmakers of “Grey State”. Be well.
Cat
They killed him his wife and his kid. .we can see what we are up against. They called it a murder suicide. Who’s next?
Anyone who dares get in their way.
“If you think gun control is going to change the terrorists’ point of view, I think you’re, like, out of your mind,” he began. “I think anybody [who says that] is. I think it’s absolutely insane.”
ht tp://www.thedailysheeple.com/listen-to-actor-kurt-russell-own-this-reporter-on-gun-control-its-absolutely-insane_122015
“Dude, you’re about to find out what I’m gonna do, and that’s gonna worry you a lot more,” the actor continued. “And that‘s what we need. That will change the concept of gun culture, as you call it, to something [like] reality.
Which is, if I’m a hockey team and I’ve got some guy bearing down on me as a goal tender, I’m not concerned about what he’s gonna do — I’m gonna make him concerned about what I’m gonna do to stop him. That’s when things change.”
Arguing back, Wells invoked the no-fly list, saying that the people on the list are there for a “good reason,” but that they can allegedly still “get [a] hold of a gun pretty easily.”
“They can also make a bomb pretty easily. So what?” Russell retorted. “They can also get knives and stab you. [What are you] gonna do about that? They can also get cars and run you over. [What are you] gonna do about that?”
are you ready?
You bring up an interesting point.
When the terrorist change tactics and move from low count human targets to major disruption of utilities and transportation, high count human casualties. To include dirty bombs, at a regular bases.
Will public opinion change.
The temperature is rising……hear the thunder/ there’s a storm coming.
In the Quran it states that any Muslims who wil abandond there family to spread Islam goes to virgin vile . So they all will do it to please allah. We are being invaded. But we will win . Keep the faith.
The Watchlist Gun Bans Begin: Obama Enlists Governors to Bypass Congress: “By Executive Order”
They can make any executive order as they please, most will not comply with bogus fabricated laws.
Since these people ignore and completely disregard the Constitution and Bill Of Rights – why would anyone follow their unjust “paper” laws?
If Politicians want to follow this path of continuing to remove the 2nd Amendment from this Nation. Then I’m afraid bad things are going to happen to these communist fucks … as in a self “suicide” by means of 2 to the head and 3 to the chest routine as in what “their” coroners like to habitually report about of people of interest.
agreed, make them afraid of their own shadow first…
They need to get the “door” cracked open – the list gets started with questionable people that will be acceptable to the majority – “no fly list” with terrorist possibilities ….
Question is – Where’s that list end?
How many different groups of US CITIZENS have ALREADY been called terrorists? … gun owners, Tea Party members, Minutemen, militia, preppers, Republicans, Constitutionists,
Obama believes that he can make things so just by thinking it. He can make it so just by saying it. And you can’t blame him in a sense. He’s childlike in many ways. He’s been coddled as a special child, an only child all of his life. The media has treated him as a mini-god
Liberalism is corrupt. Liberalism is a lie. It’s a series of lies. It does not rely on truth. In fact, can’t coexist with the truth
Good thing all those people in Connecticut registered their guns.. because registration NEVER leads to confiscation…except ALWAYS.
This snowball is really picking up speed. If it takes hundreds of cops/ FBI to stop 2 wanna be terrorists, how will they possibly have the manpower to go house to house?
Afghanistan will seem like a nice walk in the park once this party gets started. Obutthole is gonna have to borrow Putins balls cuz his vagina ain’t enough.
Just speaking for this small part of northern AZ, they better bring lots and lots of body bags. As long as I breathe I can shoot. This is worth dying for!!!!
Well said!
“House to house” is easy…. just take a page from any police state. Publicize rewards for anyone who informs on a friend, relative, or neighbor. Emphasize that the reward is a recognition of “courage” for “doing the right thing” and “protecting the public”.
Most people will eagerly make a phone call if they are promised even a small amount, like a couple of hundred bucks… combine this with lavish reassurance that they are noble and brave… and the authorities have the public doing their work for them.
By the way, The female terrorist in San Bernadino apparently took a course to get certified to become an aiirline cargo specialist. It’s called Aircraft Mass and Balance course by IATA in Pakistan. Nothing about that in the news
Fuckin stupid Malloy thinks terrorist will not get guns because of this. Criminals will always get guns pal. Terrorist are not worried about going to jail they are gonna die anyway when they decide to do their attack. With that rationale I’m sure they will play the background game just to be within the law.
GOVERNORS????????????
I see only one cunt mouthing filth
Think about it. Every other day of the year, the left screeches about how evil McCarthyism was. Basically because it targeted their commie brethren.
Oh look, who are the McCarthyites now….
How convenient, especially after a hoax like Sandy Hoax!
Create some arbitrary and politically motivated list, place whatever amount of names on it (especially Libertarians, veterans, Oathkeepers),declare them terrorists & prevent them from buying guns!
The best part for these control freaks in DC & and the state houses is that they don’t have to tell you how you even got on the list!
If you live in these blue states and if you haven’t bought a gun, preferably a mil pattern rifle by now, your time is soon to run out…
As Malloy said right after the Sandy Hook Hoax False Flag Event went live, he was “spoken to” by someone (Holder and Obama???). And that someone explained that he was going to try this stunt.
/sarcasm
So, when Connecticut suffers it’s next Muslim mass murder, we will all know it is because all those “evil” states around it are still selling guns! Couldn’t possibly be because all of the law abiding people there are disarmed, could it?
sarcasm/
So it is legal in his thinking to allow governors to enforce this federal law (gun control), but it isn’t legal for states to enforce federal immigration law?
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Like we expected anything else.
If you have to fly for your job this could be devastating. Depriving you of making sliving. Think a few people won’t rally?
You people better wake up… WAKE UP…
This is the tyranny train coming down the track full throttle and it first station is the United States – the
home with the most opposition to dictatorship. Once we fall, the world falls.
WAKE UP
We now find out just how many Americans are on watch lists! How many watch lists there are! How many types of watch lists there are! And, how quick government will be in the future to add poeple to the watch lists! Before long most Americans will be on watch lists!
Little Lgbt marxist fruitcakes can kiss my gun and/or lick my bullets https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207198836042844&set=a.1507226414233.69978.1641484967&type=3&theater
these governors should be shot for treason immediately!
come and take um!
This is one of the ways in which “Deep Blue” states (those predominantly “in the tank” for the National Socialist Democrat American Party) wind up with Republican Party governors.
And the leftards wonder why that happens….
Anyone that enforces this abomination needs to be charged with treason and hung from the neck until dead if convicted….
Our state governor and local sheriff has already expressed their support of the 2nd Amendment. Good luck getting their cooperation.