What will Donald Trump’s presidency mean for liberty? Only time will tell.
Over the years, it seems that the world has tilted towards extremes from one side to the other, through left and right arms of the larger system of government.
During both Republican and Democratic presidents, there have been wars, riots, disasters and protests, as well as covert black op missions, plans for emergency camps for mass populations, threats of disaster and world war, and scandals; and there have been attempts to disarm the population, reign in militia members and to criminalize homesteading, homeschooling, black market and cash transactions, federalize state business, and undermine individual sovereignty at every level. There is constant and increasing surveillance.
In the name of public safety, nearly any health emergency can prompt mandatory quarantine, door-to-door sweeps and forced vaccinations. Major natural disasters and terrorist incidents (particularly the Boston Marathon bombing) now regularly prompt martial law in the regional footprint surrounding the area. Most public events are kept under armed guard; highway checkpoints are common and put up with, TSA are entrenched, Homeland Security has unchecked powers at every level.
From Nixon’s destruction of the gold standard, to Carter’s government rationing powers during the oil crisis, to Rex 84 internment camp plans and Iran Contra under Regan and Bush, Ruby Ridge, Waco and Oklahoma City under Bush and Clinton, and the War on Terror under Bush II and Obama, there have been incredibly significant attacks on personal liberty.
The threat has little to do with the public personas of the presidents themselves, but more to do with the crisis that they face. 9/11 opened the door to a police state, and the institution of a permanent surveillance state.
What kind of crisis will President Trump face? How will he respond?
When/if President Trump faces a major crisis, there is no reason to think it will bring anything but even more tyranny, instituted in the deep state itself. Depending upon the situation, the response could be quite harsh.
The threat of martial law has once again become very real.
And in an interesting twist, this is creating a new drive in many worrisome liberals – to prep for the Trump administration – campaign rhetoric about rounding up illegal immigrants, and creating new domestic surveillance and registration programs for Muslims along create scary visions… and that’s before taking into account the threat of economic collapse.
While many conservative and libertarian-minded preppers may not agree AT ALL on their previous support for Hillary Clinton, or their anger and hate of Trump, they have to concede that a new wave of “liberal preppers” may be quite right in preparing for the likelihood of collapse or martial law in the years ahead. The potential for government overreach or rebellion among the population is very high in the next four years… it is only a matter of waiting for the pretext of crisis.
via Vocativ:
Long a calling among conservatives spooked by big government boogymen and calamitous natural disasters, the so-called prepper movement is gaining a decisively liberal following.
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With Trump now days away from assuming the White House, Waugh’s preparing for the worst. He’s made “bug-out bags” stuffed with ammo, energy bars, and assorted survival gear for his wife and their three cats. He’s begun stowing water and browsing real estate listings in Gunnison County, Colorado, which he’s determined to be a “liberal safe-haven.” Last month, Waugh added a 9mm handgun to his arsenal.
“I kept asking myself, ‘Do I want to live under tyranny?’” said Waugh, who supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary and later backed Hillary Clinton. “The answer was absolutely not.”
“We’re tired of being perceived as wusses who won’t survive when shit hits the fan,” said Stacy, a Texas Democrat who recently caught the prepper bug. She spoke with Vocativ on the condition we not publish her last name. “I, for one, don’t like to be thought of as some precious snowflake.”
After years cast as a fringe survival group, preppers entered a kind of golden age during the Obama presidency. A horrific housing crash and the spectacle of Hurricane Sandy helped give rise to reality television shows like Doomsday Preppers and Doomsday Bunker, and fueled a multi-billion dollar survival industry. Branded by some as a foreign-born, gun-grabbing socialist, Obama aroused deep suspicion among the patriot groups, right-wing conservatives, and apocalyptic Christians at the center of the growing movement.
Trump’s provocative posturing and unpredictability is now inspiring a fresh wave of panic on the left. Those who spoke with Vocativ have envisioned scenarios that could lead to military coups led by loyalists of the president-elect and internment camps packed with political opponents, bloody social unrest and an all-out civil or nuclear war. Sound bonkers? Perhaps. But, for many, so was the prospect of a President Trump.
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“With the new administration I worry about Nazi-style camps that would include my wife, our twins and myself,” said Melissa Letos… she raises chickens, strives to keep a year’s supply of canned food, and is able to hold her own with a firearm. She and her family plan to a build a bunker-style basement in the future.
As he prepares to assume the office that he was elected to, there is every reason to think that President Trump will be tested, perhaps immediately, during his first term. As he wields enormous powers, one can only hope that he understands, or cares about, the repercussions that will be felt underneath.
Dealing with terrorism, keeping tabs on Muslims immigrants, increasing checks at the border, and attempting mass deportation could all cause a violent and oppressive backlash. One of the great questions of the Trump Administration will be the one of whether the tail wags the dog. President Trump is the face of a vast and powerful government, from the National Security cabinet, Pentagon and intelligence agencies, think tanks and beyond.
Back in the 1980s, when the Rex 84 martial law contingency plans were exposed in Congressional hearings, the details of which not even Congress is allowed to see, it emerged that the plan for building detention centers to house millions of people was based on the prospect of having to house huge numbers of people facing deportation under an influx of immigration from Mexico and the South.
Just beneath the surface, this or any major crisis, also gives the pretext for taking up emergency powers, and gives both the justification and the physical infrastructure necessary for also rounding up dissidents, opposition leaders, and other individuals marked as undesirable or untrustworthy.
The most ominous sign of possible things to come appeared on March 16, 2012, when President Obama signed executive order 13603 about “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”
This 10-page document is a blueprint for a federal takeover of the economy… Specifically, Obama’s plan involves seizing control of:
* “All commodities and products that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals”
* “All forms of energy”
* “All forms of civil transportation”
* “All usable water from all sources”
* “Health resources — drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment”
* Forced labor ( or “induction” as the executive order delicately refers to military conscription)
It has continually happening during both liberal and conservative political climates. The danger is ever present.
Preparing is the least we can do, regardless of philosophy.
Read more:
A Step-By-Step Guide To Survive Any Disaster
This Is The Dawn of Civil Unrest: A Checklist for Preppers To “Ride Out the Storm”
The End State: 5 Triggering Events That Would Place the U.S. Under Martial Law
It Took 22 Years to Get to This Point
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Fascist left offers $2,500 for protestors at Trump inauguration
Looks like the left has finally found the free market! http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/inauguration-protest-millennials/2017/01/17/id/768996/
This might pay almost 2% of their outstanding loans for the undergrad degree they took six years to complete in 18th C. Belgian Lesbian Musicology at Southwest Eastern Mid-State Podunk Jct U. And I guess good ol’ Geo. Soros will lose another couple million on this one!
Just because liberal wussies don’t want to be or be seen as wussies doesn’t mean that they will ever be anything other than wussies that they are.
Mac, another good article, but I couldn’t help laughing at the title of it. LIBTURDS SURVIVING SHTF? I doubt it!
All anyone needs is money ( which both D and R have to the same degree). Some books, the internet and very little practice and you’re a prepper. Don’t over or under estimate anyone. This isn’t the caldron of brains.
Liberals that are “tired of being seen as wusses” cannot change that by buying guns or anything else. The only thing they can do to stop being wusses is to stop being liberals.
Liberal=Wuss. Period.
Waugh might do a bit better if he/she actually thought to include a gun with those bullets he/she is including in his/her bugout bag! Too funny
I do own guns. You just have trouble reading. Best wishes.
Braveheart,i agree, just because libs have guns, and survival tools doesn’t mean they know how to use the stuff. The way i look at libs buying all this stuff, it’s just another resupply source for all of us that know what were doing once they die.
But how many will actually practice with these weapons they are stockpiling?
It takes a lot of rounds downrange to become proficient with a weapon. Or do they think that just having it is good enough?
Most of them will be a greater danger to those around them than they will be to an intruder.
Blacks are arming up at Dallas Tx gun shows.
Blacks buying everything in sight.
I saw a crew of blacks all camo and black clothing, carrying Ar’s with nice optics. One dude even had samurai sword on his back along with his AR on single point sling. White purge ready?
Yesterday a nut job murdered yet another Police officer in a small, quiet, peaceful, Dallas bedroom community. Not sure of whole story. Sounded like an ambush on the Police? Very sad situation. Idiotic violence.
Is this the Liberal Purge?
Or just a pissed off drunk guy with marital problems and a fire arm?
Weapons stashes were reported along Washington DC Inauguration Route.
Mr Trump should get sworn in. Then leave DC area ASAP.
No Parade. No speech. No Balls. Leave the DC viper pit ASAP to a safe place away from USA Intelligence Agencies and wacko’s.
Nut jobs are too many to list:
-Bilderbergs
-Soros
-Libitard Clinton Crime family Communist supporters
-Rag heads in dirty nightshirts pissed off
-Blacks pissed off that free stuff might get cut off
-Mexicans pissed off that they just can’t take back ALL of USA and run drugs.
-USA Intelligence communities protecting their fiefdoms. I think they ran the coup on Kennedy. (Bay of pigs stand down. No air cover. Kennedy didn’t want a nuclear war.) Maybe the most dangerous?
-China, VERY dangerous.
Or just some idiot wacko without a wife, girlfriend, can’t get any, so he is bored and out to cause a problem.
Add yourself to the list of Nut Jobs.
So call me a “nut job.”
Opinion: Something is in the wind.
Fact : Storm Clouds on the horizon. I see clouds building.
Fact: A prudent man would have an umbrella or stay indoors.
A prepared man would own an umbrella, yet choose to stay indoors to avoid problems.
As there is a storm coming. Even if the weather man says “sunny days ahead”.
RC, Believe what you see. Not what a Politician/TV says, or what is politically correct.
Just because something makes you uncomfortable does not change the facts.
Pray for President Trump.
Pray for slain Police officers families.
Pray for a calm and Peaceful Inauguration. No idiot party crashers allowed.
We may be proven wrong? But “If Trump has been Honest about his policy direction.” World may be able to avoid war and undo some of the anti american obama damage.
You already changed the time line by getting Trump in office.
Prayer works. Demon worshipping “spirit cooking’ Clinton defeated.
I’m praying for Peace. So should you. Peace and Prosperity under God of Jesus.
America under Christian God.
Wait till they find out that obama repealed the posse comitatus act in June of 2012. That’s not a problem when American men and women make up our military, but, becomes a big problem when all the military age syrians obama imported and pretended he doesn’t know where they are at show up in uniforms when the shtf.
New Mexico is a liberal state, this looks like where I will check in http://santafe.craigslist.org/reo/5942569218.html
Fake News source
HOW TO HELP THE IGNORANT LEFT WITH BASIC HISTORY
Here are the some planks of the Nazis, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920:
“We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living… We demand profit sharing in big business… the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . . . The government must undertake the improvement of public health… permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good” This is right out of the Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid/Hilary-Obama playbook.
Nazi stands for the Nazionale Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei – the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Was it just a name, as some say? Then why did the Nazi’s introduce the “Reichsarbeitsdienst” – the National Labour Svc that had public work systems; why the “Kraft durch Freude,” where the STATE even took care of the leisure time of workers?
No the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of production, only that the govt oversee and run the economy, as they knew that legal ownership wasn’t what counted, but rather CONTROL. So, private citizens could hold title – as long as the state had the unqualified right to use their property. I.e., de facto socialism, the STATE still controls. Or, as Carl Limbacher wrote in NewsMax, Dec. 5, 2005, “Benito Mussolini’s Fascist economic policy, which he called the “mixed economy,” tried to combine Marxism with capitalism. What resulted was a dictatorship which allowed limited economic freedom to those favored industries willing to operate under government patronage.” The observant among you will note well the phrase “operate under government patronage.”
Then why did Hitler invade Russia? is the standard, unthinking reply. Tell me: why did the Soviets start a brief war with Mao’s China on the Ussuri River in 1969, with the dispute not resolved until the Soviet Union ended in 1991? Why did Brezhnev reportedly ask Nixon that, if he nuked Mao, would the US respond? Why did Red China might Ho Chi Minh’s Socialist Republic of Vietnam in early 1979? What about the full scale invasion of Kampuchea (Cambodia) against the Khmer Rouge, which started Dec. 1978? Why was Trotsky murdered by his fellow leftists? Why was Lavrentiy Beria, head of the NKVD (precursor to the KGB) suddently found persona non grata, taken out, had a rag stuffed in his mouth so he couldn’t whine, and shot dead? Why did Stalin purge his fellow communist generals in the 1930s? Should I go on? Truth is, there is no final basis for ethics in materialistic communism (Dostoyevski wrote, “If there is no God… everything is permissible” – and yes, he DID, in fact write that; rather it is, as philosopher Schaeffer wrote, in their materialistic world it is necessarily the case that “whatever is, is right.). Truth is, to the fascist/communist/socialist left, no one is ever pure enough, and left to their own devices, communism will end with the very last two communists having one murder the other one. Unfortunately, then, that last communist won’t be a communist, as there won’t be another person to live off of.
The National Socialist philosophy is right out of the Obama/Pelosi playbook., and you can read more about the socialism of the Nazis with any Google search, though http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Nazi#Key_elements_of_the_Nazi_ideology exposes a lot about the National Socialist Program which was big on Euthanasia, Eugenics and Social Darwinism , which are big hits with libs today, too.
Why you not post this post above Mac?? I tell the truth and call it like I see it.. lol
Heard today that grocery prices are expected to rise 15% this year. Add the 35% foreign goods tarrif to your bills as it looks to be coming too. Gonna be a hell of a year.
Dairy is already up. A friend said his oatmeal went up quite a bit.
“Gonna be a hell of a year.”
It certainly will be for those retaining their good job and the increasing number of them that will be in the Us because of that 35% tariff. The US had tariffs duding the best years for the middle class.
HerMan
See that your a new poster; we been getting a lot of them. Welcome aboard.
lol, zues is all the new posters…………..
Hey woo woo stupid, Learn how to spell. Its Zeus, and these are new posters. These are many new libbys turning preppers. lol
For sure ALL TYPES OF INFLATION ARE GOING TO OCCURE AS THE US DOLLAR CONTINUES IT COLLAPSE. Food, Gas, Housing, everything. Got your Gold and Silver Preps to preserve your wealth? Cause the PM train is leaving the station. Hard to catch a runaway train to the moon.
Silver now at $17.18, and Gold now at $1216.00 Last chance for Financial Freedom.
Knowing that the wise man will buy everything he needs now before prices rise.
The wise men bought many of their Preps at least 5 years ago and are already living out at their Homesteads and BOL’s, Bug Out Locations watching it all collapse, and we are well out of the way.
Dollar is getting stronger. Strong dollar=inflation.
So now its ok to own guns……the Constitution is valid now…. its ok and mainstream to prep for disasters now…… I wonder how many will join the NRA? Hey gang, we’re considered normal again!
JIM
You and I know that You and I will never be NORMAL. LOL
Sgt.
Why would a Liberal now go out and buy a gun? Everybody knows guns are just for duck hunting, and besides the II Amend only means the National Guard can own a gun. I’m really confused. Trekker Out.
Liberals buy a gun because they are concerned about conservatives. They’re not concerned about crime, they’re afraid of you.
They’re more concerned about the politics of their neighbors than they are about reality.
Liberals only buy bullets as they can’t think far enough ahead to consider a gun.
Sgt. Dale, I’m not NORMAL. I’M DEPLORABLE, LOL!
Cuz it’s for sure that your not NORMAL and you are most certainly DEPLORABLE, but if you insist, I’ll go with you to DC and we’ll kick some Libturds and shoeshine boys ass.
Put simply, Liberals fear who runs Progressive government not Progressive Government.
Everything the mentally diseased libs stand for welcomes big gubvt and invites tyranny and now they’re worried because a straight-shooting 2+2=4 kind of guy is in the whitehouse? Eliminating logic is the only way to understand these people. Perhaps they’re elves of satan.
Or just stupid
Jim in Va
“So now its ok to own guns”
No its OK for them to own guns. Communists have no problem arming those doing their bidding.
Kevin2, I wouldn’t trust a libturd with a gun. They couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.
A circu monkey can shoot. Think of all the practice they’ve had on PlayStation.
How do they explain all the executive orders controlling resources,food,water,etc. that their dear leader Obama instituted? Food for thought.
“… and browsing real estate listings in Gunnison County, Colorado, which he’s determined to be a “liberal safe-haven.”
LMFAO !!!
Gunnison County Colorado a “liberal safe haven” ??? This asshat with SFB should reassess that conclusion. Outside of Denver and Boulder Colorado is a RED STATE !!! 🙂
I was laughing, too. He must have dreams about some Pothead Militia guarding the passes, checking people for their Mr. ZigZag papers.
Two thumbs up !!! 🙂
Oh look another self-righteous supporter of the failed war on drugs.
I too like to laugh, but at you buffoons that thump your chest about the Const and then turn around and support this police statist’s wet dream. You imbeciles are the f-ing worst
I for 1 am glad more people are getting on with prepping, no matter their political leanings
my reason: 1 less person coming to me thinking I owe them something , or having to feed shelter or water them
Just because they dont share the same thoughts as me isnt a good enough reason for me to kill them (well that depends) , but i still dont want them either thinking what I got is theirs or expecting me to feel sorry for them when they lack the mental capacity to see whats been going on in this country for decades and thinking they dont have to relay on themselves or thinking they can break in and not get killed
Just dont come late to the party and think yer gonna tell ME how its going to be
EotS
I agree with you on this. BUT and there is away a BUTT!
If they get going on their prepping that means that the prices of thing will go up. I have everything I need, but I’m always adding more stuff, and with them turds jumping in, the prices will go up and up. Because they are so stupid they will pay double for things.
Sgt.
Good point
supply and demand
EOTS, same here. I’m only responsible for me and my own and NO ONE ELSE, PERIOD. People had better avoid me with their mentality of “the world is a collective what’s yours belongs to the community, you owe me something, etc.” STAY AWAY FROM ME WITH THAT COMMIE CRAP AND YOU’LL BE JUST FINE.
Good God I just added a new DDI 12Ga. shotgun, and the Wife just picked up a Glock 19, 9mm. I just packed away another weeks worth of food for 2 people in the last week.
Now I just read this. OH SHIT AM I A LIBTARD???? Lord say it ain’t so!!!!
Sgt.
Unless it’s a Left-Handed Glock, you’re probably OK.
Sarge, Have you had a chance to try out your equinox and dot sight setup? I saw a review where a guy tried it and said the dot was just a big blur. I am thinking of the equinox with a set of flip up peep sights. If you tried it and it worked good, may I ask what kind of dot sight you are using?
Can’t wait to see the fags in pink camo’s. I’d be ready to defend yourselves because liberals are not like conservatives carrying a gun. Most have some mental issues and a propensity for violence. Liberalism is an excuse for a lack of self control or accountability.
It seems that almost every mass shooting other than those committed by muslim terrorist has been a liberal Democrat. Trekker Out.
So true, as for the muslims their a bunch of inbread, goat humping, boy raping illiterates that can’t even read the Koran. And you wonder why the go nut when the see the hair and skin of a women??
So, what’s new? This is stuff we’ve all known about for years. Before that, all we had to do is study a bit of history to see what has happened in the past. Our government is more like Frankenstein’s monster than anything else we can imagine. We have given it enormous power so it could protect us. We forgot that it has to protect itself before it can protect us.
In the last few years we’ve become aware that our “monster” is more interested in protecting itself from us than in protecting us. So now we have to fight our own battles and just as in the old Boris Karloff movies, the only way to do this is to totally destroy the monster.
Perhaps The Donald will be able to trick it into trapping itself in its own swamp and thus destroy itself. Maybe, but the Swamp Monsters are powerful entities too. Can he prevail against all of them? I hope so.
Fear is a powerful weapon. The only defense is whats in our hearts and minds.
Eventually all other resources will run out. There will be nothing left for that piece of paper to enact upon.
It’s was never about the paper to begin with.
WOW!!! All that from a president who majored in Constitutional law…
So what happens under someone like Trump, who is just a successful businessman?! 🙁
Well, it’s not likely Trump will be as pathetic as Obama has been.
And I didn’t even vote for him.
I think it was Paul Craig Roberts who pointed out that no one who assumes the office of President will willingly give up any powers bequeathed to him from previous administrations…
Instead, they just keep taking more powers from us and adding to themselves… We, the American People are in serious danger…
Wrong Guns SHTFPLAN THIS IS WHAT THEY MEAN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAl1SWFkKY
Back in the Good Ol’ Days!!!
Future libturd practicing for sucking on the government tit?
MPB,
That video was awesome.
My wife and I hit an old fashion Greek Dinner on a regular basis, breakfast on Sunday morning once a month was a regular date when money was tight. My wife was feeding my daughter as we ate.
A man on the other side of the room called the manager over to complain about my wife feeding our baby? I could hear him say, “I know what she’s doing under that blanket, she should do that in the bathroom…………………
I was up and halfway across the room to drag that asshole into the men’s room to feed him a knuckle sandwich for breakfast in those wonderful sanitary conditions. The owner and his two sons cut me off, and tossed the guy out of the restaurant. The old timer owner’s two sons were both breastfed and dad was seeing red! Lucky the guy didn’t resist because I wanted blood even, if I had to be forth in line.
Thanks for the memory.
I believe that Hollywood has marketed women’s breasts and reduced them down to a rating: PG, R, NC-17. All directly connected to corporate profits. Hollywood made sex slaves of women for profit, and now have women destroying their bodies with implants, because of Hollywood false images of perfection. This is my life experience view that was only reinforced when my wife had to fight breast cancer. This world has a lot of dicks in it, and some of them are women……
And liberal women hate Trump, so clueless, stupid k….’s. Let’s not go there.
I think you have something there about the Hollyweird comment. They’ve made it seem like all women are eager to fall into bed with any available male that comes along. This also puts pressure on women to go along with this notion.
Also, I’ve noticed that fashion in the mid-level and inexpensive clothing stores reflect the sex slave image with low cut necklines, etc. plus all the other items to produce the illusion of the perfect sexy body.
There is so much more in life to enjoy.
I totally agree with you! I have taught many women to breastfeed, and anywhere they have a legal right to be, they can feed their babies! In a park, in the dark, at the store, so much more! It distresses me that even at church, young women are shamed into going to the nursery to feed their babies. I used to sit in the stairwell so I could hear the sermon. You can’t hear in the nursery, because of the babies crying! Babies, especially nursing ones, should be with their mothers.
I enjoy the liberals thinking guns are ok now after all the years they spent trying to do away with our second amendment. What I don’t enjoy is their feeling of entitlement to what others have worked hard for. When bugging out to the country they might just decide to try to take our homes and farms away from us because they feel entitled and have new guns. Some of the left are just this crazy as witnessed by them doing almost all mass shooting in the past years. Beware of these people, I think they are mentally unstable and dangerous to normal people and law and order.
Swamp Rat
We have had some major disagreement on how to handle people in distress. Three “S” come to mind.
Anon, on a subject we shouldn’t really talk about, we are in complete agreement.
They will die too.
I couldn’t help but laugh when I read this part.
“I kept asking myself, ‘Do I want to live under tyranny?’” said Waugh, who supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary and later backed Hillary Clinton. “The answer was absolutely not.”
So if Crooked Hillary won that poor little snowflake thinks that he wouldn’t be living under Tyranny?
If you are the one with your hand out getting all you want for nothing so you can do whatever, then yes, being forced to work for a living at any job is a type of tyranny to them because they don’t get the free handouts anymore. I doubt most have troubled themselves to think further than the Gov gives them stuff.
I don’t give a shit if they live or die.
They may not have the TIME to acquire the skills most of us have accomplish over years. Have you ever watch a person trying to perform a task and you think. That ain’t gonna work. We have the Trial and Error under our belts. The discomfort of finding out what works in the heat or the cold. How our bodies adapt or don’t adapt and it harder for those who are older and NEVER had to do what they need to do NOW. As Sgt. Dale stated, It Will Cost MORE. We have been through, “What the hell am I doing”, episodes. We have discussed all the crazy stuff a person can imagine he would experience. What we may encounter is many forms of a disaster to the differences of where we live.
Most of all it is all retained in our memory. All those crisscrossed trades and skills we have shared. All those tips of the days.
I’ll never ask for any help from a LIBTARD and I’m not giving any help to them either.
Anon. I wholeheartedly agree. They WON’T have the time to learn what you and I know takes years to learn. I doubt if they really make a serious effort. I don’t care about them either.
I find it very funny that the people that were saying guns are bad and only police should have them are now stocking up on the guns they wanted banned ?
LEFTIES GO FIGURE ?
The Executive Order effectively says that in a national emergency the Federal government will seize everything of any survival value because the Federal government is best able to decide how to use the limited supplies best. This is despite the fact that the Federal government might have brought the disaster on us. This is exactly the attitude that led to Democratic party defeat. If you believe that you know it all, you can learn nothing.
Brian, I’ve never recognized that or any other EO as legitimate. So anyone who comes to take mine will get flying lead instead.
All the government preps and ex orders allowing the seizure of goods and enslavement of people are for continuation of government. The worlds goverments are all part of the NWO. and they know about the pole shift that is occurring at this very time. They know its caused by NIBIRU. They in the USA are determined to cover up and have NASA lie to the public. NASA are very good at lying and cover up. However such Executive orders are not counstitional so we have every right to not only disobey them but every right to defend our property and persons. Whoever comes to try and take your property or compel you to submit Its your god given right to prevent them from doing so by whatever means is necessary.
Trump made the statement to Jeb while campaigning that his brother was president during 9-11. That’s about as far as he will go on the subject. Talk about a freakout by the foreign controlled intelligence usurpers, their actions are to threaten Trump against even suggesting that longtime pentagon decisions are legitimate. The whole rotten mess is about murdering innocent people.
Remember Nurse Ratchit from the movie “One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest”? Doesn’t Hillary Clinton seem like Nurse Ratchit. These democratic liberals seem like her patients.
Brian, I loved that movie, LOL! Nurse Ratchit IS the cuckoo nest!
A libtard pulls a weapon on me, that is a threat to my life.
I will respond with muscle memory and one of us ain’t living through it. Just saying
So Obama let Chelsea Manning out? Sorry obutthole globalist liar, he should have never been in prison in the first place. Stick your parting bone where the sun don’t shine.
Democrats prepping? What’s wrong with that? If prepping means arming themselves, as long as they are not criminals, drug pushers, or foreigners who hate Americans; it should be better for everyone, as it is government which needs to be held in check. If the democrats store food, water, and necessities, they won’t be bothering other people with their needs for sustenance. That is a big benefit. I don’t care who these people voted for. I just want my rights respected. If Hillary had won, I would have been disappointed, but I would not be going around crying in my beer like a damn fool. Hopefully all this talk about the 20th is exaggerated and all goes well. Anyone who preps is ok by me. I’m flexible. Just don’t come at me with attitude. I’ve had my fill of self righteous bs and politically inaccurate know-it-all who really know very little or at least are very good at playing dumb.
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They become a threat in the future and we start this shit all over again. Rather they die off.
Anon, agreed. I’ll never trust any libturd with a gun. If he/she comes to point a weapon at me, they’re a DEAD libturd.
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With all due respect My friend. Who do you think they will use their guns against?
Also Libtards hate the country, so I’m answering a question about Foreigners that hate Americans. Libtrards they are not foreigners, but they are the ones who hate Americans that don’t think like they do. Look at all the people that got the shit kicked out of them during the primaries. Now they will have guns???? I believe that everyone has a 2 Amendment Right, other than felons.
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Sarg, I don’t see anything in the Second Amendment about felons. That unwritten amendment Was passed by Congress but never submitted to the states for ratification. Probably for good reason.
A few years ago I read of a case where a felon used a gun to protect himself and the the court held that he was justified in doing so. With the multitude of laws – federal, state and municipal – we’re hard put to avoid running afoul of one or more of them, getting charged and becoming a felon. Frankly, I feel that if we can’t trust a man with a gun we should keep him in a cage until we can. I certainly can’t drum up enough trust in our “justice” system to believe that someone who kills a deer out of season to feed his family should go to prison and lose his right to defend himself AND his family!
So, if I am a bank embezzeller and convicted on this felony, I lose my 2nd Amendment Rights in a lot of Jurisdictions, at least for some period of time, if not forever.
Why ?
Don’t you see it is just a Big Govt move to restrict the 2A. Maybe it is justifiable for a certain class of violent crimes involving the misuse of a firearm, but not (especially non-violent) felonies in general.
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Until the government Fs make everything a felony? I guess I missed the part of shall not be infringed except ex felons ? Oath keeper.or traitor ? Flawed logic? Felony trespassing ? Government employees are all the same? Tares?
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And because they lack training and have a mindset of fear they wil be exceedingly dangerous people, quick to use lethal force when it’s not needed , very prone to overreact , plus how do they justify this sudden shift in thinking ? Very unstable group as a whole .
Beniah,
I agree, progressives with guns will just add to bad statistics.
Their children will commit suicide with those guns, or they will shoot wives and neighbors. Their concept of prepping is to arm themselves against phantoms.
Yes, I prep for hypothetical disasters, but there is still a rational basis. When it comes to spending hard earned scratch over decades to protect your family, you pick spending points based on hard thought realty.
Any liberal that sticks to prepping for five years or more will likely become a conservative convert, that is the good part. Thank you Obama, the best gun salesman ever.
Unfortunately I see a war brewing. A war not between countries, but people of differing ideologies. While Obama concerned conservatives to purchase weapons and ammunition to the point to where he’s gun salesman of the year, now it appears Trump has concerned liberals to the points to where they are reacting the same. Seems interesting to me that our founding fathers warned that this country could not be defeated from any outside force, but only from within. A house divided cannot stand. Seems to me that time is almost here.
Seems now there is more potential than ever for common ground. Couldn’t help but find it ironic if preparing for government overrun is what happens to break the divide. Unlikely, as ideology is a strong vice.
Preppers are seen as nut jobs who think mass shooting are staged. Preppers don’t seem to care. One Democrat is worried about appearing to be weak on prepping. I don’t think most people with an emotional age above 12 give a crap about how they appear. Everyone has their reason and everyone has their haters and mature people don’t care. In fact, I wouldn’t want anyone speaking for me at all and who cares what the idiot dem in Texas thinks.
“who think mass shooting are staged”
what evidence do you have tying that stupid belief to the prepper community?
… I wouldn’t want anyone speaking for me at all and that’s just stupid.
I wonder if the Russian people thought it was possible that the Bolshavik communist Jews could take over the government and murder the entire Romanov family? They probably thought . No Way. And the Jewish mafia did. Are we next?
Regarding the ((( liberal Tares))) weather they are family neighbors or whatever. To help or save them goes against Gods will to burn them? As in soddom and Gomorrah . The tribulation is all about creating a condition that eliminates the foolish virgins . Who were believers but not preppers? Isn’t it obvious? They believed and we’re waiting . But they didn’t believe enough to fill there lamps.You might ask why God would abandon a believer just because they didn’t fill there lamps? True believers put out? Luke warm believers do not?
Trumps president now. So we are all saying . pease and security. And then what hits them like birth pains. And in one hour all is lost.
No ,No , No, God and Jesus are all about kindness and love ? Unless your the people of soddom and Gomorrah . Or the money changers at the temple ? Then Jesus will whip you? Jesus whip a human being No never. Tie a milestone around their necks ? Jesus would never do that? Guess what ? Rev. 2:99,3:99, Matthew 13:24.John 8:44. Read it and weep.We have been warned. Be a foolish virgin? And I do not know you.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. People with mental disorders should not have guns.
Who gets to decide what a mental disorder is when the asylum is run by the inmates?
Mental disorder? Hillbilly Im pretty certain everyone on the planet except for you and I has a mental disorder. And im beginning to wonder about your sanity?
Liberal Preppers= all 6 of them.
Hello brother and sister preppers! I greet like Paul in his letters when he was about to stir up stuff. Lol. I am a Democrat but not a liberal. Both sides have reduced the opposition to cartoonish stereotypes. I am a card carrying member of the NRA but also believe in universal health care being the cheapest and most efficient way to provide health care. I am an old fashioned Democrat that has seen the party as the voice of the working class and the Repubs as the party of wealth and privilege. Sadly, both parties are bought and paid for now.
But I write to point out the conservatives are late comers to the whole prepper idea. In the ’60’s, my college professor father bought a farm as part of the back to the land movement. I was raised on Mother Earth news magazine and rodale press. What did this hippy movement and these magazines espouse? Self sufficiency, solar power, heirloom veggies, bartering, using firearms as a tool, learning the old ways, canning, and overall—personal responsibility is the way to freedom. Sure they also taught not to trust the powerful and wicked tie dye skills but today’s preppers owe a debt of gratitude to these folks.
Regardless who is in power we should watch carefully and trust no one in power. Keep on prepping!
I don’t get it..
They worry about tyranny under trump but shrillarry was their ‘go to’ for liberty??
The elitist “liberty for some” which that monster stands for is NOT the same as constitutional protection, there scooter!!
Remember the lady on the tv claiming obama was gonna pay her electric bill? yeah, well he didn’t.
There’s your liberal reward-for-loyalty…
Calm down folks the liberals having guns and trying to use em will only justify our self defense cases in court. Its alot harder to get off shooting someone with no weapon
You might want to record the Inauguration ceremony. never know what can happen. Wonder how many second delay in the T.V. feed they will use.
“they have to concede that a new wave of “liberal preppers” may be quite right in preparing for the likelihood of collapse or martial law in the years ahead.”
I’m not a trumper. I didn’t vote for him because I think he’ll be a bad president. Given that, I concede that collapse and ML are probable, but not very likely due to Trump, which is what the imbecile left are yammering about.
We’ve been centralizing power and Keynesian-ising this country for a century and the results of that have been becoming more apparent for about a decade now.
Collapse is a process, not an event and we’re most definitely on the way down.
Capital seeks to exploit the Labor, until there is nothing left.
Labor seeks to exploit the Capital, until there is nothing left.
People using independent means are not technically Republican or Democrat.
So more people are waking up to the fact the government cant (and was never meant to) protect you, feed, you, clothe you, or think for you. WHATS THE PROBLEM?
Remember, this was never about “left versus right” or liberal versus conservative or whatever names you chose to run with. At its best, this is humanity standing up and choosing to support themselves. At the worst it may end up being WE THE PEOPLE versus an overreaching, overarching system of control called “government”.
MY side is WE THE PEOPLE, not some silly political spectrum the other side wants to classify me as.
We are all concerned. we should all be staking steps to prepare. Besides, the more gun owners, the more experience the “other side” has with guns and the less likely they will be to want restrictions placed on their ownership. Wait until some of these folks start participating in the sport actively. I am PERFECTLY FINE with another few million gun owners in America.
No problem Marc, just kind of funny that people that have back the Dems. for so many years on gun control would now want a gun. Trekker Out
“Those who spoke with Vocativ have envisioned scenarios that could lead to military coups led by loyalists of the president-elect and internment camps packed with political opponents, bloody social unrest and an all-out civil or nuclear war. Sound bonkers?”
This is what doctors call “Projection.”
They’re the one’s looking to put people in camps and start a civil war because we didn’t let Hillary start a nuclear war with Russia.
Why would there be a coup led by Trump loyalists when Trump is the Prez?
They’ve done nothing but out themselves as traitors and co-conspirators.
Hypocrisy much?
Liberal Prepper?
Storing up goods for yourself while voting to give everyone else’s stuff to the government.
Dicks.
You people are absolutely f****** nuts. Do you want a civil war? Does blood on the streets excite you? Do you people have any idea that you are psychopaths? If you aim to sound insane and put fear in the minds of your fellow Americans, you are doing exactly that. So, I suppose a congratulations is in order. You’re all batshit crazy. Now go give your parents a big hug.
Thays a lot of high and mighty talk fromsomeone who was ok with Patriots, Christians, and Veterans being designated terrorists while actuall terrorists became worl place violence.
If the the balloon goes up, we ARE coming for you. You have a right to be afraid.
Youve also EARNED what you will get, so crying wont do any good.
See you soon, liberal ‘prepper’
I love it…. I will gladly stand over their dead bodies as I loot their “Gluten Free Macaroons.” Bahahahahaha they wile fire one round and claim PTSD…. faggots