Earlier this week economic strategist Marc Faber warned that some time in the next 12 months the U.S. stock market will experience a crash worse than the massive drop seen in 1987.
He’s not alone. Many contrarian economists seem to agree. And given the state of economic and geo-political affairs they could well be right, much to our detriment.
On the domestic front, the much touted economic recovery is in significant danger of being revealed for the illusion that it really is. Nationwide home sales, for example, have dropped off in record numbers in the last few months and a report released this morning indicates that mortgage originations are as bad today as they were just before the Lehman crisis of 2007. Couple that with a jobs market that is at best stagnating and at worst completely falling apart, and you can probably deduce that if there is any economic growth at all taking place it is about to come to a standstill.
Internationally, the world is fed up with The Fed and the U.S. government’s unabashed debt growth. China, Russia, Iran, India and a host of other countries are establishing trade relationships that are bypassing the U.S. dollar altogether, a move that will soon see the world’s reserve currency lose purchasing power and status. In anticipation of this imminent collapse gold is being hoarded by private and public entities from Berlin to Beijing in an effort to preserve wealth before the Tsunami hits.
In light of these developments, former Undersecretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts suggests that there are only two possible outcomes given our dilemma – World War Or The End Of The Dollar – neither of which bodes well for global economic, financial, social and political stability.
This means a big drop in the demand for US dollars and a corresponding drop in the dollar’s exchange value.
As John Williams (shadowstats.com) has made clear, the US economy has not recovered from the downturn in 2008 and has weakened further. The vast majority of the US population is hard pressed from the lack of income growth for years. As the US is now an import-dependent economy, a drop in the dollar’s value will raise US prices and push living standards lower.
All evidence points to US economic failure in 2014, and that is the conclusion of John Williams’ April 9 report.
This year could also see the breakup of NATO and even the EU. Washington’s reckless coup in Ukraine and threat of sanctions against Russia have pushed its NATO puppet states onto dangerous ground. Washington misjudged the reaction in Ukraine to its overthrow of the elected democratic government and imposition of a stooge government.
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Across many fronts, Washington is emerging in the world’s eye as duplicitous, untrustworthy, and totally corrupt.
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This audacious recklessness comes on top of Washington’s overthrow of the Ukrainian government, the NSA spying scandal, Seymour Hersh’s investigative report that the Sarin gas attack in Syria was a false flag event arranged by NATO member Turkey in order to justify a US military attack on Syria, Washington’s forcing down Bolivian President Evo Morales’ presidential plane to be searched, Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction,” the misuse of the Libyan no-fly resolution for military attack, and on and on. Essentially, Washington has so badly damaged other countries’ confidence in the judgment and integrity of the US government that the world has lost its belief in US leadership. Washington is reduced to threats and bribes and increasingly presents as a bully.
The self-inflicted hammer blows to Washington’s credibility have taken a toll.
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China and Russia protested but accepted Libya’s destruction even though it was to their own detriment. But Iran became a red line. Washington was blocked, so Washington decided to cause major problems for Russia in Ukraine in order to distract Russia from Washington’s agenda elsewhere.
China has been uncertain about the trade-offs between its trade surpluses with the US and Washington’s growing encirclement of China with naval and air bases. China has come to the conclusion that China has the same enemy as Russia has–Washington.
One of two things is likely: Either the US dollar will be abandoned and collapse in value, thus ending Washington’s superpower status and Washington’s threat to world peace, or Washington will lead its puppets into military conflict with Russia and China. The outcome of such a war would be far more devastating than the collapse of the US dollar.
Read the full article at the Institute for Political Economy
What’s coming in short order isn’t just a result of lackluster job growth, or consumer spending, or a degradation of America’s economy.
The leading developed nations of the world no longer trust the United States and America’s status as the “world’s only super power” is being challenged on all fronts.
According to cyclical theorist Martin Armstrong the cycles of change (political, economic, war) are all converging. This year will see a turning point in June of 2014, and some time in late 2015 the rug will be pulled out from under the global economy, leading to a series of events that may well destroy the world as we’ve come to know it in modern times.
We’re already seeing the prelude to this with civil unrest taking hold across the entire world (including Bunkersville, Nevada), and that trend will continue until the system finally buckles.
This is no plain modern event with civil unrest erupting because of an interconnected world. These are grassroots uprisings cross-fertilized perhaps from a world contagion yet they often have similarities – corrupt governments. Turkey, Ukraine, Thailand, Venezuela and Bosnia-Herzegovina are all middle-income democracies with elected leaders besieged by people angry at misgovernment, corruption and economic sclerosis. These days it is no longer just dictators who have something to fear from the crowd. This is the promise of Marxism that centralized planning and false promises are coming home and governments are too corrupt and incompetent to deliver what they have claimed for decades.
Communism is dead. The socialistic agendas that have lined the pockets of government and filled the coffers of banks is over. The national debts are on average composed of 70% interest payments not programs to help the poor as marketed. The debts that keep growing with no intent upon paying anyone back are draining the national productivity and turning the people into economic slaves.The standard of living has declined and it now takes two incomes to survive where one use to be just fine. Women won the right to work and lost the right to stay home.
The promises that you save for the future have collapsed into dust as interest rates have been driven lower making savings utterly worthless. There is no such thing as saving and living off your fixed income. The elderly are being driven back into the work force and the whole ideas that a generation believed in are vanishing before their eyes.
So it is no longer communists and dictators that are the targets. All governments are now the targets and when the economy turns down after 2015.75, the threat of civilization will be pulled apart by the self-interest of politicians clinging to power to the detriment of the people.
There are terrifying events on the horizon. Most people haven’t a clue and won’t until it’s already too late to act.
We best get ready.
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I’m shocked that they have successfully abet temporarily kicked the can down the road this well this far for this long.
I’m with you, but I suppose a bazillion dollars goes a long way…
Until everyone finally realizes it’s just Monopoly money…
The stupid people will never believe it,
the smart people run for their lives.
There is economic instability around the globe. Just to name a few – U.S., China, India, Venezuela, in Europe, and many others. It is not IF, but WHEN there will be economic collapse.
Another economic indicator…
Baltic Dry Index: This little-known index shows the true strength of the global economy. The Baltic Dry Index is the barometer that gauges the shipping dry bulk commodities around the globe.
“worst start to a year since records began 30 years ago”
“The last time we saw a year start like this was 2012 which saw massive concerted co-ordinated central bank easing in Q3 to save us all… it seems that is not coming anytime soon this time…”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-09/baltic-dry-collapses-worst-start-year-record
THIS JUST IN REGARDING THE SITUATION IN NEVADA, HARRY REId, HIS SON, AND THE COMMUNIST CHINESE
link: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
The outcome of a war with Russia and/or China is magnitudes more severe than the worst economic collapse. I don’t see how it would be possible, though I guess it is remotely, that a war with Russia and/o China could not go full scale nuclear. The mere fact that the nanosecond that any nuclear country’s air space is violated it is launch on warning of their nukes. No one is going to let their nuclear weapons sit ready to get hit before they can be used.
The destruction of the U.S doller means the end of the empire like Mac states. The banksters won’t allow this. The MAD mutual assured destruction philosophy just doesn’t apply anymore. It would if both sides had the weapons like back in the early 80’s. Thanks to START treaties that take away that deterrent, nuclear war is more likely than ever. The U.S. nuclear forces land based are that of the early 60’s now. Russia and China have tunneled out huge safe areas for their military and some civilians way underground. The U.S. has gotten rid of practically all civil defense. This makes the notion of winning a nuclear war against the u.S. that much more plausible to Russia and China.
The so called experts of Atomic Scientists have placed the Doomsday Clock at 5 minutes to Midnight. That is at Cold War levels. That is before what is happening in Russia right now. Most of the time the Doomsday Clock has been 7 minutes to Midnight or further away. These are extremely perilious times. Remember, war often starts with one of two stupid mistakes. We are approaching the 100 year anniversary of the start of WW1. I just can’t see why more people are not preparing, storing up even non rotational items like toilet paper and other non perishables.
@ John Q. Public,
you were asking about the earthquake near Fukushima in the previous article. This was a deep earthquake, all natural and not a nuke test. When that fat Porky test a nuke over in North Korea its depth will be very shallow, likely under 1 kilometer deep. If Porky tests a hydrogen bomb, look for the magnitude to be over about 5.7 or so. There are many earthquakes in Oklahoma, and most of these are about 5 km deep, weird to see that 5 km depth so often. This is due to fracking. Looking at the depth of an earthquake can tell much about it. This is also true with volcanoes such as Yellowstone.
An economic collapse which would involve the entire world would be the catalyst to start such a war.
Why worry? Be happy 🙂
There’s sugar in every food you eat.
Floride and fracking chemicals in your water.
The sky is laced with barium sulfide and aluminum.
ELF waves are off the scale.
The lies flow with a smile and a gleam in the eye.
The parasites know you will do nothing to stop them.
You might as well accept the next puppet they install, you already know her name.
The will send thier minions to kill you if they choose.
Then demonize you in the news.
After all, you had it coming, for daring to think for yourself, and clinging to a dead letter written by dead White slave owners.
The marxists run the show now, in every facet of Amerikan society, on behalf of their owners in the City Of London.
You might as well just have a beer, and watch the vomit they put on your TV, just like the willful braindead, and the leeches.
Those of you who still think you can “vote” your way out of this are delusional.
Your retard heros/heroines are no less owned than the demtards.
Those who stood up for this country through military service wasted thier time and lives, to protect parasites, poisoners, murderers, ingrates, mindless cowards and leeches.
And, after all this, people still refuse to face the truth, but, why bother with that?
There is an entertaining wet dream to pursue.
Why worry? Be happy 🙂
At collapsenet.com yesterday (today?) they had these news headlines:
“Putin warns Europe: no alternative…will out gas supplies.”
Also, Germany Vice Chancellor warns: no alternative to Russian gas”.
The people in the EU are already having a horrible time trying to survive after Austerity Measures (the IMF in cahoots with their government to steal all the peoples’ assets). So there is no way they will allow this to come about… EU government will have to back down, tell the US to go F– itself, fight their own battles, because the people in the EU just can’t stand any more austerity! So I’m hoping this whole thing will blow over, the US will be left alone and simply back down.
Agree: I do a lot of work with the Chinese: they are prepared and way ahead of the West. While we are whacking our whiddle sticks to porn and borrowing money on credit, they are building enormous bunkers and cities. Much of China is run by the Red Army and they are tough and battle ready.
They operate in the paradigm of the long-game but also in winnable nuclear war. They can take hits we could never take. Just one Western city nuked out of existence would be so psychologically devastating to the West, we would be done. Look at how people reacted to three buildings coming down in New York.
Dangerous times indeed…
Thank you.
Wasn’t the BDI down a record number last year as well?
The BDI is down another 3% just today.
www (dot) bloomberg (dot) com/quote/BDIY:IND
KY Mom
Another indication of the global economy is the price of copper which is used throughout manufacturing. Needless to say its significantly down relative to a year ago.
The brave people stand and fight for what’s right.
Some new news. Apparently Mr. Reid and his son are grabbing the Gold Butte land for a deal they’ve got going with A CHINESE ENERGY MEGA-CORPORATION.
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
I knew there was someone important behind this, there is just too much over-the-top force involved for there not to be.
Once the Chinese set up their business on “public lands”, it won’t be PUBLIC anymore. So Reid is simply STEALING PRIVATE AND PUBLIC LANDS to satisfy a deal with the Chinese.
If that ain’t another good reason to stand with the last rancher standing, I don’t know what is.
The foreign invaders better be careful,I have a feeling”takeout chinese”will soon be on the menu.This has happened before to the chinese and all foreign invaders under the guise of companies coming into others lands
Has anyone else wondered, if perhaps that whole ordeal in Ukraine and Russia, was intended to be a distraction for this Chinese land grab with U.S. Congresspersons involved in it?
If Bundy hadn’t fought back, it would’ve been over and done with and the American people wouldn’t have known anything about the land grab deal.
You can subscribe to get email updates, or text messages about the Cliven Bundy standoff in Nevada at http://www.bit.do/bundy
And the unbelievably stupid people that believe the BS that this website puts out everyday are just DUNCES with tinfoil hats waiting for Mac to tell them another Fantastic FIB tomorrow….Stay Tuned!!
Jones: My little brother (CL) keeps saying everyday “the sky is falling, the sky is falling” but it Never Does! Last time it was all going to collapse in the first quarter of 2014, before that it was the last quarter of 2014, before that sometime/anytime in 2013. Of course you can go back on this, and many other sites, to see the collapse was always “just around the corner”. 2007-2008 was bad but it didn’t collapse, just like 2001, and the Dot.Com bubble,Y2Kand even 1987 was pretty bad, but things are still rolling along. The poor fools here are going to die “waiting” for the collapse in their bunkers full of food and ammo, never really living, just existing in a perpetual state of fear. Sad souls all, but you got a lot of “thumbs down” because you tried to burst their ‘fear bubble’. I’ll get the same, but I don’t care. I’m too busy booking my next cruise and planning the half dozen or so outings for this year as well. This year’s cruise was awesome. And you know what, the ship never once served any MREs.
CB; why do you assume everyone here is holed up in their bunkers just waiting for the shtf? That’s what msm wants you to think. msm wants the sheep to think we (the prepared) are all crazies hanging in our bunkers. Well, its just not true. I for one, live a very happy and fulfilled life and I am prepared at the same time. We take vacations, my kids play sports, we have a nice home, etc. And I have never been happier.
Get your head out of your ass.
Someone on this site posted this before: “I don’t prepare because I am afraid….because I prepare I am unafraid!
GR
Now we all know how Noah felt, poor soul. But remember he laughed last.
I don’t think Noah laughed, I think he cried. Only evil men who cannot empathise laugh at another’s misfortune. Jesus himself wept over the tragedy about to befall his people, as did God.
I know it is the American psyche to whoop and holler in victory when another falls, but this is just plain old hubris or arrogance.
Think about Prov.24:17. It is based upon the principle that ‘all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God’. Or if you prefer other sources, ‘There but for Grace of God, go I’.
when we fall to the point that people are able to tell you’re still eating well by your physical appearance… everyone will have finally got the message.
Not so ! That is when you become the enemy and everyone will turn on you ! One thing I learned in the force , ” Keep a low profile !”
“This year will see a turning point in June of 2014”
Mac,
Please elaborate on such a specific date.
My guess is that the Global Currency Reset should happen by June 2014. If so, most prices for goods in the US will go up a minimum of 30%.
CBGB: Or maybe by the end of the third, or even the fourth quarter of this year.
Don’t elaborate on only the date, but also one what you see happening.
Bazillion…is that like more than a thousand billion?
All these 0’s… I’m confused… but man, that’s a lot of spam and water filters…stock up.
Europe Folds As Putin Tells It To Pay Ukraine’s Gazprom Bill, Or Else
“Russia is quite happy to keep the EU gas flowing… as long as Ukraine has enough gas in storage to assure Gazprom it won’t syphon off gas destined for Europe.”
Zerohedge
Direct link…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-11/putin-tells-europe-pay-ukraines-gazprom-bill-or-else
It must suck to be a western-bankster-puppet in Ukraine right now…
@ sixpack re: Chinese land grab
Where did that info come from? Perhaps you could point me to your source for that information?
Bazillion…is that like more than a thousand billion?
All these 0’s… I’m confused… but man, that’s a lot of spam and water filters…stock up.
Its a whole number here and a decimal point way way over there —>
test test… if this gets through let it be known that I’m being blocked by who knows who…this is my third attempt, second on the machine.
and now they show up…what’s up there Mac?
” it’s just Monopoly money”
and until then buy as many cans of spam as you can…
buy as many cans of spam as you can
And chocolate!!! 😉
If the U.S. is going down, China and others can be told we don’t owe you anything. The U.S. has the military power and a world war can be started in the event that other countries dump the dollar.
Or it could be like this. Russia and China ignores the USA and sells products and oil thru their own currency system. Thus, the dollar crashes. Then the USA will have to pay highly inflated food prices because many of our food systems will be exported for better currency. We will see unemployment probably in the 70% range if that happens–it is actually starting to happen for those eyes that can see….
And all of those countries that held dollars have zip to show for it loosing a tremendous amount of purchasing power. Needing necessities some will be inclined to take it off their neighbors. Others join alliances to protect them from such actions while others join alliances to obtain the spoils.
Ugly, dangerous, terrifying and biblical.
I’m an agnostic too but from what I see we’re headed for some bad times ahead.
Kevin2.
Yes it is terrifying and it will be Biblical. Looks like our way to a cashless society will be a dollar collapse followed by wars. Hope we are wrong….
Shoot, ain’t no doubt in my mind that the Fed could kick this further for a few more years. But do they really want or need to. Drudge report has stories today about the heavily armed camp (both sides) over the Bundy deal. Another story is about “How the border is gushing illegals form Central America due to Border Patrol being forced to stand down. They (feds) have better things to do I guess like rustle cattle. Seems like King Koon and his stooges prefer helping greasers over grazers.
George W’s Chief of staff walks into the oval office
“Mr President, two Brazilian peace keepers were killed in Ramadi today”
W jumps up and starts pacing around anxiously
“Oh my, oh no, this is just terrible… remind me, how many zeros are in a Brazilian?”
If you want to really know how bad the US economy really is. Family Dollar is closing 370 stores nationwide and Dollar Tree posted disappointing sales due to sluggish in store sales.
When Dollar Stores start closing, it’s time to get nervous.
They’ve just built new ones in my town here in eastern NC. I’m in a small town, and there’s at least five or six dollar stores. We have Dollar Tree, Dollar General, and Family Dollar. And they are busy all the time. The mall is deserted.
They’re not closing here in eastern NC. They’re building more in my town. We have at least five or six dollar stores now, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, and Family Dollar. The dollar stores are busy all the time, but the mall is deserted.
Archivist, in certain parts of Memphis, we have malls that are 60-90% deserted.
yeah, some states seem to be doing fine while others are collapsing big time! I’ve been traveling a lot lately and in some states, there are no signs that I could see of economic decline. But in other states, its really, really bad!
We have 99 cent stores here bit few if any of the dollar stores. 99 cent stores have some excellent deals and good merchandise.
Rodster, they may be so in certain parts of the nation but in Memphis they’re building several new Family Dollar stores as I post this. But I can agree when the dollar stores start suffering, we’re getting oh so ever closer to SHTF Day.
The lower income folks are hammered, it’s all going into their gas tanks. The dollar stores have to rely on the middle class to get the sales up, but don’t have what they want, other than soap and candy. So some stores go under.
actually- it bodes almost as poorly for a neighborhood when Dollar Stores start showing up- it means those companies view those as financially distressed neighborhoods, which is the prime market for them. Same goes for Pawn Shops and Paycheck Lending/Cashing businesses. That they’re opening in your area means your area is viewed as being on the cusp of failure, but not yet failed. About a year ago- they opened a Dollar Store (not sure which co.) on RODEO DRIVE in Beverly Hills! SNAP!
(couldn’t happen to a “nicer” bunch of folk if you ask me)
CWIN , sooo , when i go to town and see a dollar general next to the check cashing pawn shop that is next to the salvation army store , that is a bad sign ?
LOL , That IS my town , err , not so funny really.
HH- sadly…you’re not alone, it’s not far from that in my town either. it’s handy they made goin broke so convenient for you though! (ugh)
“they opened a Dollar Store on RODEO DRIVE in Beverly Hills” — Well, maybe they’re getting ready to give miley cyrus a star on the low end of the walk of fame, so she can immortalize her tongue and her ass prints for all eternity…I’d only put that in front of a dollar store too.
My neck of Ga Braveheart is full of empties.
Car dealers, strip malls, houses, stores , fast food joints.
Worst area in the state.
Nice gardens underway already
People here ain’t stupid.
These mountains have held, fed, and produced many good foljs and plenty of food for thousands of years.
And I expect we will be here many more no matter what .
Take care dear.
Spring means not looking at past comments.
I been out and about, replying to yourblast reply to me dear fruend.
Good evening, 22Mission. I’ll be back over that way next month taking some more supplies to my cousin’s BOL. I may start looking at the country auctions to see what kind of properties are up for sale.
They may be building them but the company and the concept are having problems. No one has any money and gas out here in Calif. is over four bucks just about everywhere and in many places over four twenty five. Does not leave the average person with much spare cash.
My Sis lives in Colorado….she told me she went grocery shopping on Wed. to Safeway where the meat section was lacking in product. Went then to Wallys where the meat section was ALSO lacking but they had put up signs stating that they had ordered meat but they have not received it as yet and apologizing for the customer inability to purchase meat…..
Signs of more things to come? I believe so….
Have Faith…Keep Faith…Share Faith
And Have Sisu
fob
Sam’s in Virginia Beach was full of meat and had some really good prices. 93% hamburger was just over $3 per pound, $1 less than the local Food Lion. I bought all I could and froze it.
Great! Jealous I am, but happy for you! 🙂
I won’t get nervous until the Dime Stores start closing….
Anonymous & Rodster: I go to Dollar Gen once a mo. Family dollar got too pricey on items found cheaper elsewhere, so quit them long ago. Dollar Tree used to have good stuff until several years back, since then it’s all crap, useless junk. People I know agree. Even K- Mart (Krap Mart) has turned into a giant junk store and no one shops there anymore. I rarely go to Target, but went today and wasn’t impressed; has more grocery items now, but pick and choose, like shopping @ Wal Mart (Crap Mart) once a month too.
The “average joe” knew the ramifications of kicking the can, tried to convey that to the “leaders” but the “leaders” didn’t listen, didn’t care, and have all but sold out this country for their own ends. There will be a recogning very soon, unfortuantely alot of people will get hurt, physically, emotionally and spiritually and for what? For nothing except for greed.
Dear Russia and China,
In the event that you decide to send any missiles our way, it would be of great service to this country, if you would please aim them at the real problem.
Coordinates to follow…GPS 38.897709,-77.036543
(= Latitude N 38 53 51.7524, Longitude W 77 2 11.5548)
Thank you.
And make sure everybody is there, all at once!! Boom, that would be refreshing and a new future.
Comrade Sixpack,
Regarding your GPS coordinates, I must have the name and date of the datum used. NAD27, WGS84, ????????
Comrade Boris
Revolution, 1776
er, perhaps I should speak with Natasha…
ROFL!
Don’t forget MOUNT PONY and anywhere the elite live (i.e. Rothschild, Warberg, Rockefeller, Morgan etc. etc. )
Ha ! Make it rain boys!
when it comes to the economy
the car hasn’t hit the brick wall at 100 mph
but it has hit it at 35
over and over and over
the end result will be the same
just take a little while longer to get there
Stocks Continue Collapse
“U.S. stocks declined sharply for a second session Friday…”
“The markets are scared to death.”
CNBC dot com
Direct link…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101575864
Keep believing MACs baloney, putz… He’s been putting this same BS out for years in different sacks of sh.t…
@ Jones: buzz off. Mac has provided a wonderful forum for those of us who are awake.
Hey Jones,
Isn’t it time for your enema?
(Sorry – I just couldn’t help myself.)
Jones, f#$% you! Go fuck off and die!
One reason they may be able to continue kicking is the possibility of genuine growth.
The good vs. evil dichotomy ignores the possibility of surviving through growth. The internet and smart devices have enabled us to transcend doom as of late, because entirely new wealth is being created from nothing.
As long as their evil doesn’t prevent new capital and wealth from coming into existence that wasn’t there before, all is well.
It’s possible 3D printing and other emerging digital technology will allow us to continue to advance, to allow us to achieve mastery over matter itself, each of us able to print out what we need without the need to purchase from a factory or a mega-corporation.
There is also the possibility of another emerging new age of man. Perhaps a near future where asteroids are mined, and precious metals and currently scarce elements become as common as sand on the beach.
Or perhaps, human gill technology gets developed. Our grandchildren will be able to choose a life underwater and to start new lives in the unlimited underwater frontier land of the world’s oceans and lakes.
“each of us able to print out what we need without the need to purchase from a factory or a mega-corporation”
TPTB will never allow that to happen. EVER. That would make it nearly impossible for them to bring in their NWO, because there would be no slaves.
I think we might see that if the tech did exist commonly, there would either be ridiculously expensive raw materials, taxes on everything or just the machine itself priced way above the heads of all but the richest of the rich…we’d all be RENTING ours if we could afford it.
THEY WILL NEVER ALLOW US THAT MUCH INDEPENDENCE. BET ON IT. It is a very wonderful thought though, the fall of capitalism, consumerism and financial control over the masses…
It would be a TRUE anarchists dream.
Great observation, sixpack.
The slave-plantations are everywhere. The big ones eat the small ones. Every government employee is a slave-catcher or a slave-tender so to speak.
They plantation owners might even advocate prepping and self-defense, as long as little guys and small businesses are forced to buy from Licensed Survivalist Megamarts.
Can’t have us bartering and trading with each other too much. The fat cats stay fat through scarcity and fear.
Maybe they’ll make food a hundred times more expensive to offset any progress. Make gardening, ranching, farming, hunting, and fishing so difficult and expensive that only the largest international corporations will be able to do it.
Hope for the best. Prep for the worst. Keep the fans clean and in good repair for whatever shitstorms appear next on the radar.
My sentiments exactly.
This is just silly. Everyone knows that the Fed can just create all the money we need out of thin air and that the world will continue to take our dollars because…….well……just because.
Oh…I know…because Durango Kid says so.
K2: Yes, they have been successful in kicking the can down the road. I am sure they would like to get past the November elections before the Second Leg Down hits.
Not sure that they can, but I mentioned last year that SHTF would happen in 2015 and that the PTB would probably release some cash from the banking system for Main Street this spring. Most new debt has been car sales and school loans. Home sales have tanked. Buy a McMansion or two when the SLD hits!
I am expecting a major bank to announce massive layoffs in Chicago or the sale of their ancillary activities there. These plans were planned for November but given the decline in economic activity they are planning to do that now.
Europe is between a rock and a hard place; so while they will not give O’Bummer a Blank Check with respect to Russia, they need the USA to protect them from potential Russian aggression. So NATO is not going to dissolve, but strengthen: just like the dollar.
China is not in a position to challenge anyone economic or militarily; least of all US. And why should they? WE have transferred OUR wealth to them.
The dollar is the weapon of choice and the plan is to create economic problems in Russia, to weaken it. This will mean war eventually, but that is still years away.
No dollar collapse! An economic collapse is not a dollar collapse. It never has been Mac send me all of your extra “Monopoly Money”! 🙂
A note for all you doomers, Israel will probably Strike Iran this year. And sooner rather than later. 🙁
It appears that expensive housing at least here in Florida is on the rise with several new gated communities of McMansions being built. These are not single homes “here and there” but rather entire communities of hundreds of homes.
Conversely I see more homes in the $80 -$150K bracket coming on the market.
Those with money have more. Those without are loosing their shirt.
Stansberry Research puts the SHTF date on JULY 1st, 2014 when the House of Representative foreign currency tax bill kicks in, causing the US dollar to collapse. US government is so far in debt it is reaching the point where there not enough income to pay the interest alone. Currently, the US is spending $200 million per hour X 24 hours X 365 days which it does not have. Debt extraneous to the $114 trilion unfunded liabilities of Medicaid, Medicare, SS, & SSI is $20 trillion with $10 trillion of that evolving during the O’Bama presidency. If interest rates rise to 6% the combined cost to cover this debt alone is $43.6 trillion FED is printing $65 billion in fiat paper currency ever month to keep this mess afloat. 31 states are $55 billion short in tax reveue to cover their bills. Purchasing worth of a US Dollar is down 20% since 2003, with a 9% lower median income than in 1999. The gist of all these numbers…We are totally f*cked! Fill the food storage room and your gun locker. The end is near.
Wouldn’t surprise me but I doubt it. I don’t think it’s time yet.
I agree that we aren’t going to wake up this summer one morning and the whole system has fallen out from under us and gone “Patriots” (See James Rawles books). Of course, there is always that possibility, but I’d suggest it is unlikely in the near-term.
However, I do believe the events that will eventually lead to such an outcome have already been set into motion. Not trying to sound like a pessimist here, but I don’t think the genie can be put back into the bottle at this point. Collapse is inevitable at this point.
Reading the detailed cyclical analysis put forth by Martin Armstrong in his latest ‘Cycles of War’ (2013) report, all of the events he outlined seem to be taking shape.. In fact, he specifically mentioned Russia and the Ukraine months before the revolution took place there.
Moreover, he’s consistently been accurate in his forecasts including specific examples like stock markets would continue to rise (predicted back in 2009/2010), gold would drop from $1900 highs, and the capital restrictions being put into place in the US and globally… this is stuff he specifically covered since 2008… his accuracy has been pretty amazing if you ask me.
And pretty dawg-on scary, considering his next set of forecasts (which he bases on everything from economic to geo-political analysis and global capital flows) indicate that the coming two years will be wrought with calamity surrounding all global affairs.
We all know something is afoot. It’s a matter of time now.
I wouldn’t rule out that the US starts some major War to protect the Dollar. They acted pretty reckless up to now.
@Rodster,
Maybe a war to finish off the dollar via unbelievable spending? just saying
“we’re gonna fundamentally change (i.e. destroy in every way possible) the country.”
A certain person already tried that with Syria but was shouted down by the American public and Congress. One wonders what he will think of next for his next attempt at war.
Mensa, they will still take out Syria but they will do it in a proxy war most likely. Israel is getting ready for something. They did not recall embassy personnel all over the world because of a labor dispute. This was the plan before they start a war that will make them very unpopular or before a war is started against them. And I say “they” not “him (Obama)” because I still believe Obama is merely a puppet.
Rodster
They been starting small wars to protect the dollar. See Iraq and Libya.
They will do anything and everything to keep the Oil Peg / Reserve Currency scam going.
Rodster, I used to think your idea was a possibility, but if so, why did one of Obama’s men last year say “we are going to kill the dollar?” Ultimately, I do not believe that God will allow this time line to go on much longer. One of my main concerns is when collapse does come, Europe will abdandon the west, turn east and merge with Russia
Rodster: You are absolutely correct. The FED will not give up its hegemony without war. 🙁
You know, if I really thought that simply collapsing our economy would put the Washington DC war machine out of business, defund NSA spying and set us on a road where we, the people could recover, I’d say go for it. I would happily suffer through it to that end.
But I don’t believe it would happen that way. I believe the same SOBs (or their next gen) will come out of their bunkers after the dust settles, and simply pick up where they left off.
I personally believe that as long as the NWO lives in impunity, the world will always be at risk of annihilation and slavery.
In short, I believe that the only way this planet will EVER see peace, is not by one country destroying another, but by the entire world, pitching in to decimate the NWO banksters once and for all.
The root of all evil truly is, money.
“The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.”
The problem isn’t the c-note, gold, or silver laying there, it is what someone will do to possess it that is the problem.
If it isn’t the money we are used to today, it’ll be something else tomorrow.
.22 ‘s
cigarettes
bic lighters
Booze ……………..and anything else that someone will want when they can have it…
Chocolate
Batteries
40 Items to Barter in a Post-Collapse World
1. Water purification supplies including purification tabs and filters
2. Hand tools including hatchets, saws, machetes and general fix-it tools
3. Fire making supplies, including lighters, matches, flint fire steel
4. Sanitary supplies including toilet paper, feminine products and diapers
5. Disposable razors and razor blades
6. Fuel, any and all kinds (gas, diesel, propane, kerosene)
7. Prescription drugs, painkillers, and antibiotics
8. First aid remedies such as cough syrup, cortisone cream, boil-ese, calamine lotion and topical pain relievers
9. Spirits such as bourbon, rum, gin, and vodka
10. Coffee and tea (instant coffee is okay)
11. Solar battery charger and rechargeable batteries
12. Standard Batteries
13. Reading glasses
14. Paracord
15. Bags, including large garbage bags as well as smaller zip-close bags
16. Plastic sheeting
17. Duct tape
18. Tie Wraps
19. Heavy plastic sheets and tarps
20. Toiletries including toothpaste, dental floss soaps, shampoo (tip: save those small sized toiletries that are provided by hotels and motels)
21. Condoms
22. Latex or Nitrile gloves in a variety of sizes
23. Hard candy
24. Fishing supplies
25. Knives of various types including fixed blades, kitchen knives, and box cutters.
26. Condiments and Spices
27. Paperback books on a variety of subjects
28. Tobacco and cigarette rolling supplies
29. Amusements such as playing cards, crossword puzzle books, Sudoku
30. Pencils & paper
31. Pepper spray
32. Garden seeds
33. Flashlights
34. Vinegar and baking soda to use in DIY cleaning supplies
35. Empty spray bottles and squirt bottles
36. Hand pumps for both air and liquids
37. Mylar blankets and tents
38. Hand warmers
39. Sewing and mending supplies
40. Knitting or crochet needles and Yarn
Backdoor Survival dot com
Direct link…
http://www.backdoorsurvival.com/41-items-to-barter/
KY Mom….
With due respect, I am not getting any of those because hardly anyone is preparing to barter with. Pretty soon it will be Ugly in ‘Quiet’ mode….
All good items to have. As all of those who thought or feel they were wrong about the “coming SHTF” situation, consider this regarding all the preps you have made….
Better to have it and not need it
than to
Need it and NOT have it.
Nylons….oops that was 70 years ago.
Where are you getting the 22’s ?
Oh, wrong–if you have nowhere to store those chocolates–I did some major re-organizing today and have abundant shelves empty!!
ABSOLUTELY, TSAC.
Global Climate Collapse will destroy the system by 2035… if not before.
No. But the Unix millennium bug will be starting to work its magic by then, and then three years later, 1-19-2038, Unix computers will go back to 1901.
“I agree that we aren’t going to wake up this summer one morning and the whole system has fallen out from under us and gone “Patriots” (See James Rawles books).”
See Rawles books?
I’d rather not.
After Patriots, his writing took a serious nosedive and just flat out sucked ever since.
I do get what you’re saying, however, and tend to concur.
@ Mac- remember, a pessimist is just a realistic idealist.
I thought it would crash two years ago…egg on my face.
Not too much egg Iowa, “collapse” is a matter of degree. To some extent you were correct.
Collapse was eminent in 1999, 2009, and 2012 just to name a few. I suppose it is just as eminent today, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. Surf the wave till it crashes then make camp on the beach. That reminds me I just booked my second beach vacation this year. Instead of another high rise hotel we’ll be slumming it at a seaside camping resort this time because the taxpayers aren’t paying for this “conference.”
No, egg on everyone’s face, yours, mine, the authors, the rest of the readers, etc.
All the media I read every day has been saying it’s coming for years, same story, different year. So far, nothing, somehow they keep holding it together. Shoot, they are even doing sub prime loans again!! Idiots.
I’ve lost thousands of dollars by not being in the stock market (yes, I’ve slept better at night, but I’ve still lost).
They are screwing us on gold & silver by manipulating that.
They WILL bring it down on their day, hour and minute of choosing. As long as they gain power and benefit financially. Gotta set up the elite, the elite in government and the butt kissers, then it can crash.
Poor Pathetic America. She is a hostage.
Last year he aNesthesia group switched to a retirement management group. We had to go to a meeting and hear what they had to say before we could opt out. “Too many of you aren’t in he stock market, so you aren’t managing your money correctly. Sign on wih us and well automatically invest you based on age”. I told hem I was in cash, because I WANTED to be in cash, and I would stay with schwab who allows me to ‘manage’ my own money. Now I know ill get down thumbed because if you don’t hold it it ain’t yours, but DH won’t sign papers to cash out.
Sorry for the iPhone typos.
NOPITY , ya gotta play all angles , this “collapse” could take decades .
It sucks not being able to see the future , but we need to prepare for ALL outcomes. diversity is key .
You would sure hate yourself for not investing something for the future if things just drag on.
When the rich are being taxed at a 90% rate , then it is time to think about who will be next , i will pull my small stash then , but for now its earning more than cash in a mason jar .
I invested some of my money in 93% hamburger today at just over $3 per pound. Let’s see what the price of hamburger is this summer. I bet I’ll make a pretty good return on my investment.
It did crash back in 08, they have just been papering over it ever since. This economy never recovered from 08, and the QE’s etc. are just about ready to end. When the elites get what they want, then the printing stops and war starts!
Iowa.
It has collapsed two years ago. We just haven’t seen the real numbers yet….
The inflation from FED money printing has been exported to the rest of the world. This year I think it will be coming home big time. Hope everyone is ready to pay a lot more for everything.
Last post for a while, as stated before I’m heading to Bunkerville. Maybe Mrs. Maddog will update? Although I have the same responsibilities as any other husband and father I believe there comes times one needs to sacrifice as I did before serving in the military. A supportive wife makes the decision much easier I’m sure. I am not looking for a fight and pray one does not happen however this situation is exactly what I any so many other have complained about and there is no way I will not support Mr.Bundy and the constitution. One of the militia spokesman said this “is the time people need to come together and stand against tyranny in numbers” and the Oathkeepers have requested all members’ participation. The reason is simple, if we fail to show in significant numbers I believe the movement to restore our country will fail right here right now in Nevada. Our cause will be seen as nothing more than a bunch of armchair patriots in the long long complaint line of sheeple. I am a veteran, an Oathkeeper and most of all an American with God given rights that better men than me have fought and died to protect for me and mine. It is time to shut up and put up for posterity or forever be happy in your role as sheep. I see a lot of bullshit posted of excuses and others not agreeing with the excuses and coming up with other excuses they think have more weight and makes them more justified in standing down. Not sure if there is a limit to how far I would travel or how much I would spend to get to Bunkerville, however I do know this was not in my budget this year but I found a way to make it happen. Will be riding down with a fellow patriot I was put in contact with last night and several of the SHTFplan website posters have donated money. So it does appear God makes the right things happen when you put in a little effort. I guess I’ll end with this, if you have means to participate I pray you do the right thing and go or give all you can to those that are. If you don’t and decide to punt again and freedom goes down due to a lack of participation fighting for it, then you will have earned your servitude and be happy in it.
I’ll be praying for you Maddog, stay as safe as you can. God bless and if you can, send out situation reports.
God be with you Maddog!!
There’s a rest stop waiting here in Sandy OR, with a hot shower and plate of hot grub waiting for anyone just passin’ through to/from Nevada…open all night if need be.
sixpack6t9(at)yahoo
Be safe brother, just might see you there.
Standing ready…
Good luck, Mr. maddog. I know your mind is made up.
As you are an Oathkeeper of constitutions, may I suggest to you to please read the Nevada Constitution…specifically the “Ordinance” clause and the “Paramount Allegiance” clause. It pertains to Federal lands in Nevada.
Thank you.
God speed maddog! Give ’em HELL!
May the blessings of the Lord be with you Maddog.
God speed, and God Bless.
Amen.
Hooray for you and congratulations! What an inspiring post and wish my husband I could be there. Please be careful as it now looks like Harry Reid and his demon spawn are involved. Am sure they wouldn’t stop at murder if it made a few bucks for them. Again, hooray!!!! for you!
I just donated $ to the oathkeepers for this Nevada travesty…..anybody else?
PKLL
Hi XXXXXX,
Thank you for inquiring, The mailing address is:
Oath Keepers
5130 S. Fort Apache Rd. Suite 215
Las Vegas, NV 89148
BTW, big fan of SHTFplan.com!
For those that need this. I send cash.
maddog–stay safe and alert!!
Yes, donation is on its way.
Can’t go with Gene to Nevada–he’d be more liability than help; most here know his medical history.
Our hearts are with all donating–whether it is gas, cash, food, or time.
Maddog, God bless you and all the other patriots facing down Goliath. We look forward to hearing frontline news of developments. We are with you! But, most importantly, God be with you until we meet again. Be careful!
Well, let’s all hope it holds out that long.
KySSG . . . out.
No doubt… At this point, the longer and further they can kick the can down the road the better.
At least we still have some time to get all our ducks in a row.
I’ve got the ducks, but how do I get them to line up in a straight line?
Ya gotta shoot em then lay them out in a straight line… 😉
…but then I won’t have any ducks left.
Well ya cant have ducks in a straight row and keep em too ya know… 😉
LOL, Damn, I never knew duck farming would be so hard….
Mac Salvo
I 100% agree. Those that say the longer it goes the worse it will be fail to understand bottom is bottom.
Better bottom later than bottom now.
Yeah, but I got a lot of ducks to get in order! Hope they kick the can down the road for at least one more year…or longer.
The future is oh so bright… (sarcasm off)
Yeah right.
The time to prepare for darker days is NOW.
Ron was stopped by the police around 2 am and was asked where he was going at that time of night.
Ron replied, “I’m on my way to a lecture about alcohol abuse and the effects it has on the human body, as well as smoking and staying out late.”
The officer asked, “Really? Who’s giving that lecture at this time of night?”
Ron replied, “That would be my wife.”
Brilliant! Haha!
To Ron@2am:
To my friends who enjoy a glass of wine.. and those who don’t.
As Ben Franklin said: In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. In a number of carefully controlled trials, scientists have demonstrated that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) – bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop.
However, we do NOT run that risk when drinking wine & beer (or tequila, rum, whiskey or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting.
Remember: Water = Poop, Wine = Health
Therefore, it’s better to drink wine and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of shit .
There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I’m doing it as a public service
Be afraid! Be very afraid!! I know I’m going to get a bunch of thumbs down for this comment, but hear me out. Aren’t you people sick of these scare stories? Sites like this have “predicted” the economic end for years. Mark my words, it’s not going to be this year. I really thought this site was turning things around with the Nevada story – being a rare “fact story”, and then this comes out. Enough of these fluff-filler-scare stories! I’m sure there are many of you who would love to have a website like this and submit something fulfilling and factual. Any joe blow can come up with a “this is the year” story. Come on SHTFPLAN, help us prepare, not distract us! We have the mainstream media for that!
Ppod — no thumbs down, but….
eternal vigilance is always the
price we pay for freedom.
If you find mice droppings in
your cupboard, you probably have
mice, know what I’m saying…..?
I hear ya. Thanks Mich!
Why do I have deer droppings in my cupboards? I guess they could be big mice…
Years ago I lived in a shack of a place in a fancy town on lake Michigan. I had mice all over the place. I put boxes of poison in the drop ceiling in the loft area. They were blue pellets of some sort. Anyway, I went on a nice trip to the Boundary waters canoeing for a couple weeks with my girlfriend. Nice time by the way. When I got back I found that those dang mice had taken every piece of those pellets and had put them in my drawer in the kitchen downstairs that I had my silverware in. WTF! Those little bastards were trying to kill me! True story. That was over 30 years ago. I’m still alive. Those little fuckers are all dead. Who’s laughing now?
Wrong — quit feeding the damn deer in the house,
and the mice are laughing their ass off because
you are now long gone and they are still there.
Wrong,
They must have been whitefooted mice. Those rascals store food. Poison is for house mice. They eat it and die.
bottom line is this
we are in a PROFOUND state of irreversible economic decline
massive flow of wealth from middle class to the very top
this will not change
it is the new status quo
we may very well have a crash of some sort
a black swan could easily appear at any time
and to quote Orlov again
“If you prepare for collapse and it doesn’t happen, then you look a tiny bit foolish.
If you don’t prepare for collapse and collapse does happen, then you look a tiny bit dead.
Now, which would you prefer to be, foolish or dead?
well
which is it ???
and for anyone who missed this great column
Is the US or the World Coming to an End? — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/09/us-world-coming-end-paul-craig-roberts/
“2014 is shaping up as a year of reckoning for the United States.
Two pressures are building on the US dollar. One pressure comes from the Federal Reserve’s declining ability to rig the price of gold as Western gold supplies shrivel and market knowledge of the Fed’s illegal price rigging spreads. The evidence of massive amounts of naked shorts being dumped into the paper gold futures market at times of day when trading is thin is unequivocal. It has become obvious that the price of gold is being rigged in the futures market in order to protect the dollar’s value from QE.
The other pressure arises from the Obama regime’s foolish threats of sanctions on Russia. Other countries are no longer willing to tolerate Washington’s abuse of the world dollar standard. Washington uses the dollar-based international payments system to inflict damage on the economies of countries that resist Washington’s political hegemony.
Russia and China have had enough. As I have reported and as Peter Koenig reports here http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38165.htm Russia and China are disconnecting their international trade from the dollar. Henceforth, Russia will conduct its trade, including the sale of oil and natural gas to Europe, in rubles and in the currencies of its BRICS partners.”
we are getting red flag after red flag after red flag
time to get serious about preparing for this
way past time…
@ Satori. How right you are about the red flags. And most of these red flags have the hammer and sickle and communist star in them.
Just another opinion here — nothing more, nothing less.
For those who are tired of waiting and waiting the past several years — try preparing and waiting for the past 14 years. I probably would have bet my entire stash that we would not have made it past 2006 and here it is 2014. Amazing!
The US economy as well as the world economy is collapsing as we speak. The petro dollar is losing its grip. We citizens of the US are losing our Constitutional rights. Our government is corrupt. We are facing hyperinflation. We are headed for very difficult times. These are already difficult times for millions.
I like to be very tolerant of my “be prepared” brothers and sisters; but I have zero tolerance for the arrogant shitheads who want to take down the American way of life. Let’s stick together and use our words, energy and resources against the enemy.
Been out of the loop for a few days building barbed wire fences/cutting brush and getting the green houses ready for the season…nothing but animals and tractor for company,total news blackout…then I check in and all this last few days worth is here…wow…going back to the woods and building fences…its alot more sane out there…
It’s hard to predict just how bad it’s going to get but fortunately we have web sites like this one helping us by sharing information so that hopefully we can survive the coming collapse.
Stand strong my friends!
Thank You Mac Slavo
You know, this guy Faber has been ‘predicting’ gloom & doom for over 15 years. And btw, if he had NOT advised his clients in 1987 to get out of the market (he was not alone, many, many other financial advisors did the same thing), his firm would have landed in Federal Court for mismanagement. Do a little homework on it — you’ll see how it really works. My point is this — if I ‘predict’ a solar eclipse without knowing the next time or date it’s supposed to occur, and I keep repeating it to anybody that will listen, sooner or later, I’ll be right. A solar eclipse will happen. And then I can take credit for it, right?
OT just for you Ppod:
Proposed Amendments for upcoming Constitutional Convention
1. Justice Amendment:
a. All judges must be elected. No judges may be appointed. For the purpose of this amendment, Justices are judges, and anyone who makes a legal decision or sets a legal precedent is a judge.
b. Only elected officials may make policy decisions. All policy decisions must be recorded in print and annotated with the name of the person making the decision.
c. Any Government organization may have no more lawyers, legal clerks, or legal researchers working on a case than their opponents actually have (not just assigned or representing them) available. If someone can’t afford a lawyer, the government organization can’t use one either.
d. This amendment is retroactive.
2. Fairness Amendment: Government officers should be held to AT LEAST the same standards as citizens.
a. “Ignorance of the law is no excuse” is entirely applicable to all law enforcement officers (LEOS) and officers of the court in every case.
b. LEOS lying to citizens will be handled, and punished, exactly the same, or more harshly, as citizens lying to LEOS.
c. Citizens carrying and using weapons have at least the same rights as LEOS, if not more.
d. LEOS that break the law lose all their police powers from that point on.
e. This amendment is retroactive.
3. Revenue Amendment: Repeal 16th amendment entirely and abolish the Internal Revenue Service. Prohibit a central bank, Apply the national debt to the Federal Reserve. Only gold or silver may be used as money. The federal budget may spend no more than 10% of the national budget. The federal Government may not tax any individual citizen more than 10% of his or her income. The total tax burden from all levels of government combined may total no more than 15%. Corporations are not citizens; they are not individuals. A minimum of 50% of the budget must be spent on national defense.
4. Extend the 22nd amendment (term limits) to apply a limit of two terms to all elected officials at the federal level.
1a. Elected judges for life? Guess what kind of judges we’ll get. Liberal, leftist, activists. Key on Obama victory in 2008 and 2012 if you don’t think so.
1b. Does this mean all 535 elected Congressmen get to make policy decisions? I’m not so sure this is going to fix anything. Which Congressman is going to trump the other when they don’t agree? The one who signed the paper first?
1c. Let’s decide cases on the merits, not on how many lawyers each side has. Total non-issue. Competent counsel is competent counsel, blaming things on numbers is not a compelling legal argument.
1d. Retroactive. OK, every legal decision made by an appointed judge or where the USA had more lawyers than the accused is now overturned. How far back to you want to go? I don’t think you thought this one out too well.
2a. I’m all in favor of this.
2b. 2b is in violation of 2a. If it’s the same standard, it’s the same standard, not harsher.
2c. You need to expand on that. LEOs don’t carry a gun because they have the right to do so, they carry them as an obligation, part of their employment.
2d. Do the LEOs lose their authority the instant they break the law, or after a court says they have? Who gets to decide that, and when. “Your Honor, when I was arrested, my rights were violated. Therefore, you must dismiss this case against me and pay me damages.” We already have a lot of that going on. Want to add to it?
2e. Refer to 1d, above. What does this mean?
3. I’m all for it.
4. All for it.
Scrap it all and start over…all proposed laws must pass constitutional muster BEFORE they can even be considered…not after they are used to hurt someone…anyone proposing any law deemed to be unconstitutional will be removed from office forever for not making sure to revere the law of the land (constitutional principles)before even proposing a law that violates it… it would be a start!
To say that these educated predictions are getting old is an understatement, this isn’t to say I’m not concerned with the obvious condition of how truly bad our economy is, or how world events continue to pile up against us. It seems we’re all looking for a trigger point that will give us the best chance of being optimally prepared, in a situation that at best will be total chaos and at worst controlled chaos.
We dont need predictions ,its already happening ,
a long slow slide into socialism .
Everyone i know is earning substantially less and is complaining about the lack of goods and services as well as the prices being charged.
The government is growing in strength and size everyday adding new departments and thousands of regulations.
Something just aint right, no waiting needed .
@hammerhead
+10 on your comment. If you look at the real hard socialist countries, Russia/China there is no middle class at all. Few if any small businesses, everything owned by the “Chosen Few” and members of “The Party”. That is what is happening here.
Barry, and whoever comes after him, can’t stop printing money or the whole thing crashes, so instead they steal from us through QE, higher prices, smaller sized products.
Heck, I can remember a loaf of bread costing 7cents, now you can’t touch one for under $1.00!
Finally Sean Hannity Is talking about Bundy roundup on his Radio show. Bondy is gona be on the show, taking phone calls..
They’ve been telling us “soon” for years. Something tells me I’ll be throwing away my 30 year shelf life freeze dried food in 24 years.
I won’t be throwing away my ammo though.
Just finished reading a book by Edward Lucas a reporter for the well respected magazine The Economist called “The New Cold War-Putin’s Russia and The Threat to the West”.
The book was first published in 2008 and won “Best Book of the Year” from the Wall St. Journal.
Among other things the book spells out how Russia and China are waiting and watching The West’s economies explode and then they see themselves fighting/winning a nuclear war with us in 8-15 years from now.
Lastly will be the splitting up of what is left of North America into small countries controlled by the SCO.
A very interesting read.
Above Mac mentions “The Cycles of War” so I checked them out and found that they pretty much fit together with what Putin has planned in the next 20 years.
and yet ANOTHER outrage perpetuated on the American public
by a CORRUPT and out of control lawless government
NSA Abused Heartbleed Bug For Years, Left Consumers Exposed To Attack
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-abused-heartbleed-bug-years-left-consumers-exposed-attack
Sorry, Paul Craig Roberts; but this isnt going to happen in 2014.
Two examples why not:
Here in Houston, we are building all over the city, unemployment is falling and the state is in great economic shape and Texas is so large a part of the country’s economy that it’ll carry the water for the obama depression for a while.
Second, even in bankrupt Detriot, pro sports are bringing in good numbers of detroiters and the city of detriot is actually starting some new businesses.
Yes, the usa is in bad shape and the powers around the world do wish to take the usa out; but thats not going to happen in 2014; maybe in late 2015 or 2016.
As bad off as Detroit is, all they can find to spend their money on is pro-sports? WTF???
yeah
and when Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein look out the windows
of their corner Wall Street offices
things look pretty damn good too
around my neck of the woods???
one of our local manufacturers used to employ app 1400 people
now they are down to about 200
although they recently announced they are going to hire 50 layoffs back
so we’re good at 250 ???
another manufacturer pays a wage of a whole freakin’ 75 cents above minimum wage
and people are scrambling for those crap jobs
a ride down my street which is middle and upper middle class
shows faded paint and numerous roof’s with missing shingles
repairs that should have been done years ago
but people can’t afford it
some of the people I work with,typical middle class now have to get teeth pulled because they cant afford a root canal and crown
the economy is crashing for the middle and working classes
it has been for quite some time
ALL the statistics indicate a greatly reduced standard of living
a crash is happening
but it’s not a CRASH
it’s a c…..r………a…………..s……………h
glad things are going great in parts of Texas
but please don’t get me started on that fraud known
as the “Texas Miracle”
around here we’re having the “Carolina Comeback”
and if you use the fraudulent government statistics
there is a “comeback”
if your honest and use REAL figures it’s the Carolina Crash
Satori–Fruit of the Loom, owned by Warren Buffet–the guy who isn’t rich enough)is moving the Kentucky facility to Honduras.
600 unemployed can wreak disaster on a small county.
As I actually AM here, IN Detroit, I just gotta say, sorry, Lena, it just aint like you’re thinking. Until you actually come visit Detroit, please don’t think for a minute we’re on the upswing here. Again, sorry to bust your “everything’s wonderful in Detroit” bubble. And I’m not trying to be mean to you, just truthful.
All of the oil in Texas and the Eagle Ford discovery are a drop in the bucket next to the input from QE sustaining the economy and that is insignificant relative to the derivative time bomb.
Let the USD loose its reserve currency status and the USDs value nose dives.
“Motor City” cannot survive off a sports team. Circus is circus.
Lena: Don’t confuse them with facts because these sad souls have already made up their little minds that everything is going to end today or tomorrow. Telling them that things are actually getting better in a few spots like Texas and Florida is a big needle that threatens to pop their illusional bubble of fear and dread. If you, and I, are correct (facts) then their entire world view is wrong and they end up looking like the fools they are and they can’t stand the thought that all the years of prepping and money spent is for naught. It means that they’ve wasted a big part of their lives for no good purpose while the rest of us go on enjoying ours. The want the world to collapse, indeed they need it to collapse, in order to validate their world view. It’s not any different that all the religious cults members who’ve sold everything and gone to the mountains, or wherever, to wait for the end of the world only to wake up the next day and find that nothing has changed and that the world is going on with, or without them. The very thought that their pathetic little lives have been spend in fear and denial angers them so much that they react with anger and verbal violence.
Greg Hunter from USAwatchdog dot com has said that the dollar will be dead or dying by the end of the year. Jim Willie has popped up in a number of places recently talking about how Russia has increased the rate by which it abandons the dollar. Jim Willie also says that the dollar will be split into a domestic dollar that will be devalued by 80% and an international dollar that won’t be devalued. And of course John Williams from Shadowstats has said that there will be panic selling of the dollar by the end of the second quarter of this year. More and more people are seeing the end of the petrodollar system and the death of the dollar. Not everyone thinks this will lead to a complete economic collapse but I do. I expect the dollar to die. I expect government at all levels to go bankrupt, the national power grids to go down, no police or fire protection, no public water or garbage collection.
Finally someone who has their finger on the reality we are living in and will have to face. Obviously you are citing a number of “things” other folks have brought up but in a rather neat and concise manner. As for timing, yes the dollar will be vaporized by other countries and this country, at least those who have to buy bread, milk, cheese (notice I said nothing about “meat”) will be paying highly inflated prices — yes, even more than this piddly 19% over the past few months. The kicker, at least what seems to me to be missed by almost, if not all of the folks posting replies, is the reality of ultimate cause of the despots continually acting in a manner that promotes more selfishness and greed beyond imagination. That cause is absolute loss of the American soul that knew the ultimate law of do unto other as you would have them do unto you and lived by it. Okay, so much for the “Spiritual” lashing. As for timing, September 2015 is the end of whatever is left of this once great United States. Have any doubt about that read the book or watch the movie The Harbinger. God will not be mocked. His providential hand has been lifted off of us and we are now reaping the whirlwind of our own greed…. yes, all of us… anyway, had to vent there but as always I end with Pray for perseverance, protect to the best of whatever ability you have and preparer like there is no tomorrow because there isn’t… loadnup
Just received another .5 gram gold bar in the mail today. Doing what I can, when I can, so I can have a future.
Barn Cat: They too keep kicking their can “predictions” down the road to next, quarter, next year, or the year after that. Same crap, different day, or should I say, ‘different quarter’. So hurry and buy their newsletters-Suckers!
Women won the right to work and lost the right to stay home.
Suckers.
Welcome to what we’ve always known. They call it “work” because it SUCKS!
Oh yes, we’re all just hanging out smoking cigars, drinking brandy, and throwing darts at pinup calendar girls all day, then money magically falls into our pockets.
Well, that sure was a great deal y’all made. Have fun now. All the men are staying home, be damned the economic consequences, and not marrying you.
Good job.
Well done.
…wth??????
Pk,
Da guy lolo
“When” thing’s finally crumble and to what degree has been written about for many years. I first started contemplating it shortly after obama took office and the toilet bowl direction he and GWB took us on. Partisanship attitudes kept most from believing any of this.
Is this the point and time it could happen….. Not sure, but “when has not prevented from any of the prep work I have done to this point……
Well they’ll use something to cover it up so they can say “well we HAD a good recovery going (6.6% unemployment etc) until THAT happened…. nobody could have foreseen THAT scenario…”
They’ve used it dozens of times and it’s still working for them.
IF I was a psychopath….I’d use something the least destructive to the infrastructure that severely culls the herd.
…a manufactured Sun EMP…biological attack (very messy though)…but they have to get the People to agree Martial Law is a good idea…and they will, for the most part.
For all those who say they’ve been hearing for years about economic collapse,war, etc., and it hasn’t happened yet, I offer my most significant insight from a long lifetime of reading history: “History happens in slow-motion”. Events in the past which seem to have unfolded quickly when viewed in the rearview mirror, actually occurred very slowly, taking place in a series of steps stretched out over years.
Look at America’s (first) revolution; it FEELS two centuries after-the-fact like the British pissed us off, a few days later we declared independence, we skirmished a few times and then we wrote our new constitution. In reality this all took place over DECADES.
It took the Roman Empire 300 years to collapse, and for the Roman citizens living through that period it probably always felt like they’d hit a little bump in the road and things would get back to normal soon. There are major historical turning points like the 9/11 false flag attack which for people who lived through them were sudden events after which life forever changed. But in a generation 9/11 will be seen as one part of a broader criminal conspiracy to take over the USA starting with the JFK assassination, (a surprising number of the same names show up in both events). In a few centuries historians may see the beginning of the conspiracy and decline as not dating from 9/11/01, or 11/22/63, but the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, putting us already over 100 years into our downfall as a nation.
For a longer and more insightful essay on the phenomenon of history-in-slow-motion, I recommend John Michael Greer’s “The Long Road Down” http://www.oilcrisis.com/whattodo/decline.htm
excellent insights Tom
the slow nature of collapse is why it is so dangerous
it is why people aren’t acting
its happening right before our eyes
we are living it
but as each little change happens
we adapt to that slightly lower standard of living
without even really noticing
Exactly right, Satori….. it’s the boiling frogs syndrome. The ruling elites know the principle very well, and generally won’t make the mistake of grabbing so much at once that too many people notice and resist.
Excellent post Tom.
Yes….in most cases, SHTF was a process…not an event. Another example is Germany post WWI. From the signing of the Treaty of Versailles to Hitler’s rise to power and then WWII, took almost 20 years.
Nevertheless, there were events along the way that were SHTF situations for the people who lived through that time period.
And we are experiencing the same thing here. The foundation for ours began in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act and the implementation of the Federal Income Tax.
But what does tend to happen is that the process is gradual, and there is some precipitating event that appears to speed up the process. The process was there all along, but because of the principle of the exponential function, it went unnoticed…or was simply dismissed. And it doesn’t help when the majority of the population, including leadership, has normalcy bias. And it really doesn’t help when the “leadership” is actually encouraging the collapse.
There’s a quote by Earnest Hemmingway that I like to post whenever this issue is discussed. He was once asked how he went bankrupt. His answer was, “Slowly, then all at once.”
Heres some good info
to DK head
April 11 2014
BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher’s mouth
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Immediate family friend of the Bundy’s tells it all in a mail sent to Jimstonefreelance.com
This is the jackpot of details you have never seen anywhere else, and if you did, they originated here, spread it around, ARCHIVE AND POST! (please link back to here when posting elsewhere)
A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B Hunt wrote:
I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy’s ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven’s son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy’s signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale (‘R’ Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy’s signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to “private” buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).
From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water–through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers–from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).
Now, for Cliven Bundy, he’s not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance.
My Response:
Thank you for sending your valuable insight. This contained the details we were all missing.
From this we can now firmly conclude:
1. The BLM’s actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a $300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government agency. I do not think that could be topped ANYWHERE else in the world, other than with something like a Mexican drug cartel.
So we have a clear cut case of unlawful and prosecutable actions by the BLM in this case.
2. The real goal is to shut down public access to these lands. Obviously Cliven Bundy was not a jerk, and he let people go back there to explore. I myself have done a LOT of back country exploring, and noticed in the early 2000’s that they closed down all the back roads about a half mile before the destination they used to go to to discourage people from exploring the wilderness. Rather than drive the whole way, you had to get out and walk a considerable distance to scenes such as Swazy’s leap, Paul Bunyans Wood Pile, and practically anywhere else you would want to go while out 4 Wheeling. And in the desert sun, that long of a walk was usually tough to do. This resulted in these types of locations no longer being visited, which effectively equaled a shut down.
3. The motives are for profit. Rather than manage the lands responsibly, the BLM is stealing it from it’s rightful holders via corrupt actions and legal loop holes, and selling it off to corporate interests. This is cold hard proof that America is not a democracy, or more importantly a Republic, it is in fact a facist dictatorship where corruption rules and rights, freedom and honor are irrelevant.
The BLM killed hundreds of desert tortoises on purpose
They say they had to kill them because they did not have the funds to care for them. Here are two really good solutions to that “problem.” 1. Just take them out in the desert and turn them loose. -OR- 2. They could have taken the three million dollars they said the Bundy raid will cost them, CALLED OFF THE RAID, and SAVED THE TURTLES with that three million. If they had three million to destroy Bundy, they had it for the turtles as well but did not use it for that because tyranny comes first.
Steeped in arrogance and incompetence, once again a Federal agency fails to see the obvious. Or perhaps they do see it but they could care less about nature and instead operate as the enforcement arm of a band of high ranking thugs.
great info Kula
thanks
Harry Reid also has ties to several companies developing real estate and oil in this area,
fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/84066
his son is the representative for a chinese solar company doing work there
fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/harry-reids-son-representing-chinese-solar-panel-plant-in-5-billion-nevada-deal/84060
Ill find the rest of the links
@Satori
Thank You!
You are always on it with links and info, same goes for KY Mom
Don’t confuse them with facts kula…their minds are already made up.
The UK property market
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601104/House-prices-soar-2020-Middle-income-earners-priced-warn-Chartered-Surveyors.html
We have a boom!
Step away from the edge my friends, step away from the edge . . . . . .
All I can say is prep as always while living for today(as always,another 4 lb purchase while shopping today for dark days,adds up to 100’s of pounds in rotation along with other food products),free speech zones are where ever I am at and the tortoises are cute little critters,that’s all.
These corrupt u.s. congress and senators still carry on as if there is some legitimacy to their actions, while their wealth climbs like a rocket. The start of the decline of our freedom and rights goes back, as a prior poster said, to 1913. JFK’s death by coup, poppy Bush there involved with CIA in Dallas, then tyranny kicked into high gear. Slick willie signed Nafta just after taking office, repealed glass-steagall allowing banks casino to rob and pillage our entire nation, outsourcing American jobs in the millions, which continues today, yet Dims gave him 8 years to set up Shrub and the inside job of 9-11, plus 8 years of wars ongoing, patriot act, ndaa, financial thievery into collapse, setting up obammy to continue his 8 years sweeping the crimes under the rug and doubling down on warmongering against innocent nations, installing “democracy”. Meanwhile American citizens wait for a recovery of illusionary proportions. TPTB think we can’t and won’t do anything to stop the madness. It is up to us to let them know differently.
OUTSTANDING ARTICLE. Sadly; I think this time; its right on the mark. Personally; I’d much rather see a full blown economic collapse; than an all out nuclear war. IF there is a nuclear exchange; WE; NOT the Russians OR Chinese will start it. ( And we WILL get creamed ) ALL major cities AND towns with a population over 100000 are targeted. At least with an economic meltdown; i’ll still see the sun rise tomorrow; while seeing the terrified look of surprise on 99.9% of the sheeples faces. Priceless.
golden oldie
The First 12 Hours of a US Dollar Collapse *Video*
https://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/the-first-12-hours-of-a-us-dollar-collapse-video_11242010
from 2010 by the way
the dollar may not “collapse”
more likely death by a thousand cuts
that’s usually the way a reserve currency dies
but still gotta watch out for those damn black swans
Getting ready to plant Kennebec white potatoes along with my usual rows of Red Pontiacs. Anyone here plant the Kennebec? How do they fare during storage? Appreciate any advice or experience in growing and the storage. I mostly grow the Pontiacs but thought I’d add something different. I’m also gonna try the Doc Martin lima pole beans this year. The only way I eat limas is dried in soup. My wife really like them in bowls with butter (yuk).
Funny… I just told the wife that we should plant a bunch of potato hills and I’ll build a root cellar this year. We have a lot of potato farms around me here in MI and I’m not sure what variety they grow.
I was just going to let some grocery store potatos go and then plant the eyes.
I plant Pontiacs as a main crop but I do put in some Kennys…theyre a fine white potatoe and they keep as well as Pontiacs…only thing Ive noticed is they are sensitive to sunlight and turn green easier than the reds…other than that theyre great… 🙂
So How many militia members, expressed in real verifiable numbers have arrived at the Bundy ranch?
The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) have traveled to Nevada to stand with the Bundy family. Additionally, the Oathkeepers have done the same. An estimated 5,000 militia types from Western states have also made their way to the Bundy property as well.
Sheriff Mack and CSPOA are responding to the storm brewing between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the BLM. They have responded by stating that the all-too-frequent bullying of individual citizens by various militarized Federal agencies have usurped the Constitution and they have vowed that the forces of tyranny can be stopped. In fact, as CSPOA claims, it’s an epidemic that “must be stopped”.
I have learned that Sheriff Mack is leaving early Saturday morning for an emergency trip to Bunkerville, Nevada, along with other members of the CSPOA posse to stand with the Bundy’s and find a peaceful resolution to this conflict (i.e., the feds going home). The name is “Bunkerville”, is both ironic and appropriately named, don’t you think?
(I also read on one site, the cell towers are out of commission–surprised???) An end to cell conversation, updates, and videos??
Just want to inform that per a newscast off the infowars site in an article the cell towers near the area that covers the Bundy Mellons Ranch have been shut down by the BLM to limit information coming out of there.
100 Heads
You cant hide the info indefinitely
Heres the link
infowars.com/will-feds-stage-violence-to-frame-cliven-bundy/
Second attempt: How many verifiable militia group members are currently at the Bundy ranch?
yes I wonder how many stupid gullible idiots have come looking for trouble. Bundy is a deadbeat. The kicker is according to his daughters Bundy was paying the grazing fees. Then he thought he found a loophole (excuse) and quit paying the fees. Do you really believe Bundy or anyone else should benefit from grazing the public land for free?
Maybe we should ask a dog about the impending doom???
Have you ever heard that a dog ‘knows’ when an earthquake is about to hit?
Have you ever heard that a dog can ‘sense’ when a tornado is stirring up, even twenty miles away?
Do you remember hearing that, before the December tsunami struck Southeast Asia, dogs started running frantically away from the seashore, at breakneck speed?
Do you know that dogs can detect cancer and other serious illnesses and danger of fire?
Somehow they always know when they can ‘go for a ride’ before you even ask and how do those dogs and cats get home from hundreds of miles away?
I’m a firm believer that animals – and especially dogs – have keen insights into the Truth.
And you can’t tell me that dogs can’t sense a potentially terrible disaster well in advance.
Simply said, a good ol’ hound dog just KNOWS when something isn’t right . . when impending doom is upon us . . .
CCR
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin’.
I see bad times today.
Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.
I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.
Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.
All right!
Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.
Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.
Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.
Hurricane and Tornado season coming up.
Ladies and Gentlemen, please place your bets.
Once the dollar lost it’s “gold” backing and became “fiat”, then, at that moment in time, “all evidence pointed, to an eventual, US Economic Failure”. Personally, I’m surprised it hasn’t come to an end, by now. But since “they” control everything, they’ve been able to print their way out of the abyss, thus far. If our system wasn’t so corrupt, the end would have come some time ago, i.e. couldn’t have manipulated across the board to keep it afloat, i.e. robbing Peter to pay Paul. Then again, if our system wasn’t corrupt, we’d still have the dollar backed by gold. Then again, if humans could be trusted, we wouldn’t need to back up the dollar with gold.
Anyway, whether it be this year, next year, or 2020, a major currency change in America, will indeed, be in the offering. Doesn’t mean there has to be a “collapse” though.
Sometimes, I think there is so much debt in America, that those in debt are hoping and praying for some form of collapse, so they, the debtors, can get out of their obligation. Sadly, if there is a collapse, debtors will probably first lose all their possessions followed by a possible indefinite stay at debtors prison, to “work” it off.
I doubt they will lose possessions or go to debtor jails,will be a lot of dead debt collectors am very sure,if they even bother.
It may be premature, at this point in time WD, but soon, very soon, they, those running the show, will have the TECHNOLOGICALLY advanced weaponry to pay visits to debtors homes, where the “collector” won’t be concerned with what’s behind the door he/she/it is about to kick down. The dweller, and family, will be immobilized from a distance, and then, in they will march, removing all living, and previously living creatures, big and small, carting them away to either enter a work gulag, or, to enter the end of the line, line. Then, everything inside that home, including home, property/minerals and water, will be theirs.
That day is coming if we, relatively free patriots, don’t soon put an end to their game plan. Each day that goes by gives them more and us, less, to work with (except, maybe in terms of “numbers” of humans waking up). It’s a race, right now, and our trajectory presently leaves us a distant second, i.e. last. It’s all a matter of how many wake up in time.
***** MERS CoV UPDATE *****
yeah
it’s still out there
simmering
UAE: Paramedic dies from MERS, others infected
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Apr-11/253025-one-foreign-health-worker-dies-five-infected-with-mers-in-uae-agency.ashx#axzz2ycmFFUxs
this incident is worrisome
it is the second incident of health care workers becoming
infected with MERS just this month
personally speaking
I think this bug is a whole lot more transmissible
human to human than they are letting on
All I know anymore is that Evil is gaining world powers. All I know is that any tangible preps investments are not wasted monies.
“He said these reforms will better integrate China into the global economy by breaking down the walls that prevent the free flow of capital to the rest of the world. It will see China further liberalize its exchange rate and promote the international use of its currency”
www dot shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=212064
The beauty of it all is, once the stock boys yell “timberrr”, it’s too late for most Americans. The big boys have a huge head start on moving their money to the sidelines. Then anyone left in the market gets hosed again. Then the boys come back into the fray when the coast is clear. We lose our asses, and they double their money. Good luck to the US and anyone that is the stock market for “the long haul”.
Mac and other contributors,
Thanks for all that you do. I’ve been lurking for years here, never spoke which is highly unusual for me. Same story as some, woke up in the middle of night five years ago in a cold sweat, strange as I live in Phoenix, cold isn’t used here much. That which woke me has haunted me since then. You know when you have one of those guts like an internal alarm system, and you go of like the bells on Santa’s reindeer but horrible. Not ho ho ho but Oh no no. I started reading, researching watch daily since, realized we me<— et al. might be in some trouble financially. Here is the problem, I'm not an economist, smart maybe. But the economists seem wrong also. What now? The sensible thing would be prep/save, ok sure been at it since. Just seems like what is coming is going to be rough is all I'm saying. Feels terribly uncomfortable. For all the information out there now there's too much can't sort truth from fake. Uncertainty sucks, and also it sucks that all the glossy eyed's don't believe a word. Thanks
The economists are always wrong. No one can predict or manage a modern econonomic system consisting of hundreds of millions of people and trillions of business transactions. It’s not possible.
All us mere mortals can do is prepare for inflation, more than we now see, and for the proverbial seven lean years. Those are cycles we know will happen, but not when.
Like you say, the sensible thing is to prep and save, and it’s going to be rough, when it does happen.
Let see… have about 20 years left.
So….I don’t worry about any of this shit.
I’m too busy chasing tail.
On my death bed I’ll look back at an amazing career…what I achieved and all the hot women I bedded.
Not the beans in my basement that I will never eat.
Guys, I drank this cool-aid back in 2009.
Time to move on.
If things collapse..I’ll do well as I’ll be part of the recovery.
Things always renew.
Roll with it
You can discuss your sins at the Great White Throne Judgment before you’re cast into hell.
Well said! I am with you
Back in the 1800,s many Greedy ranchers opposed the Homestead act. So they like bundy today simply decided to not recognize the Federal goverments authority. the hired thugs & killers to harass and drive the homesteaders & sheep men away. The most famous of these was a man Named Tom Horn. They also had their Straw Men file on the best 160 acre parcels mostly those that had water so nobody but them could graze the land. There where numerious range wars where So called cattlemens associations hired enforcers and accused homesteaders of rustling and lynched them without trials. My prediction is by the time this Is over Bundys cattle will not be grazing the range land for free. Bundy and some others will serve time in prison. The grazing rights need to be sold at public auction to the highest bidder on a yearly basis.As bad a we perceive the federal government to be. The fact is without the fed to keep them in check State & local goverments would be much worse. Look a all the Uncounstitional gun laws many states & citys enacted that where struck down by the supreme court. Granted the Supreme court got it wrong when they upheld the Obama Health Care. Part of the reason is the Justices Appointed where put in place by the liberal politicians that where elected. and they are elected because they keep their promise of bringing money from the public coffers back to those who voted for them. Our Republic Has turned into a Mob Rule Democracy.
Anyone else getting tired of hearing “the end is near”? Since 2008 I’ve missed out on living life because I’m so paranoid. NO MORE! Ignorance is bliss and makes for a happier life. Avoided spending money and going on vacations with family. Never going to get that time of life back. Spent $100k on gold/silver, its lost 50% since then. If I would have kept it in the bank I would still have $100k. Could have bought a house in 2010, rented instead, missed that opportunity. Now prices are going back up. Spent thousands on food storage that I’ve never used. Sold the BMW to drive a 10 year old truck. My income has increased every year since 2008, certainly doesn’t feel like things are getting worse. Done wasting my time/money/energy dwelling on “economic collapse”. Living life like anytime the collapse could happen is no way to live. I regret “waking-up” and not being a sheep. My life is not any better because of it. My next 5 years will not be wasted like the previous 5. Rant over…
Wow, I find being awake and still living a great life is not mutually exclusive. Just makes me appreciate life more, and storing some food etc helped me and mine out when we had the biggest flood in history here last year. I think most manage to find a balance…
oops, *are not*
Substantive evidence that this is nothing more than fearmongering BS designed to separate gullible sheeple from their money:
I will wager up to $500.00 that none of this happens with the following caveat. Clearly measurable metrics must be spelled out in measurable terms: “next 12 months the U.S. stock market will experience a crash worse” is subject to weasle words and slimy reasoning. “the rug wu=ill be pulled out” is a phrase without meaning, thugh its intent is to separage sheeple from their money. But a statement that “All three markets will drop by at least 30% within a span of 90 days is measurable.
So give me some metrics and the bet is on. dpaladin at ix dot netcom dot com. look up orwells boot #1 on all search engines after paid links. I put my money where my mouth is.
And why would any person with a triple digit IQ think that economies universally seen as among the most corrupt in the world (india, Russia, china, Brazil) would be more attractive than the US http://www.transparency.org/country#USA_DataResearch
I think that the only countries less corrupt than the US are those “evil socialist” countries that you all love to hate.
I’ve bought my bunker, ammo and freeze dried foods, indoctrinated my children and paid for the requisite divorce. Why won’t the danged economy collapse already? It’s been eight years. Danged economy!
Very scary, but what is on to do to prepare? What prep one has won’t last for long.
Meant one not “on” in above statement.
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